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From: Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net>
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Subject: Re: The Old vs The New
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2024 07:51:02 -0800
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On 11/18/2024 11:26 PM, shawn wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 22:41:01 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
> <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
> 
>> On 11/18/2024 8:43 AM, shawn wrote:
>>> On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 06:07:46 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
>>> <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 11/18/2024 1:25 AM, shawn wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 17 Nov 2024 22:25:13 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 14 Nov 2024 17:17:36 -0500, shawn
>>>>>> <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ideally, in my opinion,  Hamas would be gone and the Palestinian
>>>>>>> people would be allowed to control their own fate but that doesn't
>>>>>>> seem likely to happen in my lifetime, if ever. Israel is just helping
>>>>>>> to win more people over to Hamas by their killing of innocent
>>>>>>> civilians in an attempt to wipe out Hamas leaders. Which just means
>>>>>>> the fighting will likely keep going on and on and on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Given HAMAS routinely uses 'innocent civilians' as human shields if
>>>>>> the Israeli soldier spots the HAMAS guy with a weapon he's going to
>>>>>> shoot first and ask questions later.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At best, that's going to mean a wounded civilian - which is just going
>>>>>> to mean the HAMAS fighter is going to grab yetanother "shield" next
>>>>>> time  he sees an Israeli.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> While I agree with you on your point about winning more people over,
>>>>>> what's their option besides surrendering to HAMAS?
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know that they have one. At least not a good one. With a few
>>>>> million people to hide among even preventing Hamas from launching the
>>>>> occasional rocket attack is going to be impossible.
>>>>>
>>>>> Though I wonder if they treated the Gazan residents better if they
>>>>> could have won over their support for Israel at getting rid of Hamas.
>>>>> I'm not sure it could work now but at least making sure Gaza is
>>>>> getting food/water/medical supplies would limit the # of people who
>>>>> might support Hamas.
>>>>
>>>> Hamas is the group that is "appropriating" the food/water/medicine sent
>>>> to Gaza.
>>>
>>> I know but Israel has also been limiting the support available. If
>>> they didn't there would be more food/water/medicine coming in than
>>> Hamas could take control of. There's no lack of supplies available if
>>> only it were easy to get them into Gaza.
>>
>> What makes you think Hamas wouldn't just destroy whatever supplies they
>> couldn't keep?  They are LONG past the point of thinking "We must make
>> our fellow Palestinians miserable and desperate so they will hate the
>> Jews more and join us in killing them!"
> 
> Ideally that would result in the rest of Palestinians turning against
> Hamas. That doesn't seem to be happening but if they know that Hamas
> is fully responsible for them not getting the aid they need then they
> should turn against Hamas. If the alternative is starving to death as
> being mentioned over and over again you would think that would be
> enough to force the Gazans to attack Hamas even if that means some die
> as they were going to die anyway.
> 
> Do I expect it to happen? No, not given what we've seen happen so far
> but it should be what happens.

Hamas has all the weapons, many of them are "covert" so the general 
population never knows who might be Hamas (secret police anyone?) and 
have been abused by various Palestinian "militias" for a couple of 
generations now.  An entire population that is a battered wife.  Their 
choices are "fight back" and immediately die, probably getting their 
family killed too, or keep their heads down and live a bit longer.

-- 
I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky 
dirty old man.