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From: Coogan's Bluff <ft.tryon@park.invalid>
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Subject: Re: [OT] Tyson/Paul
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2024 09:50:41 -0700
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D wrote:
> 
> 
> On Mon, 18 Nov 2024, Coogan's Bluff wrote:
> 
>> D wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, 18 Nov 2024, Coogan's Bluff wrote:
>>>
>>>> D wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 17 Nov 2024, Coogan's Bluff wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 17 Nov 2024 15:12:59 +0000, S Viemeister
>>>>>>> <firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 17/11/2024 00:00, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 16 Nov 2024 16:14:26 -0700, Coogan's Bluff
>>>>>>>>> <ft.tryon@park.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So wrestling or fencing are equally intolerable?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't think the aim of those sports is to injure your 
>>>>>>>>> opponent. Of
>>>>>>>>> course, American wrestling is a clown show. Everybody knows that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Fencing is more like dancing. Rather elegant, in fact, if done 
>>>>>>>> well.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Fencing instruction was required at drama school, and it was one 
>>>>>>>> of my
>>>>>>>> favourite classes. We fenced without masks or other protective 
>>>>>>>> gear.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've never done it, but it clearly has nothing in common with 
>>>>>>> boxing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Both emulate life/death adversarial encounters, Trigger...
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This is not correct, boxing and fencing are related.
>>>>>
>>>>> Was boxing influenced by fencing?
>>>>>
>>>>> Historical Context of Boxing and Fencing
>>>>>
>>>>> Boxing, as a sport, has deep historical roots that intertwine with 
>>>>> various forms of combat, including fencing. The origins of boxing 
>>>>> can be traced back to ancient civilizations, notably in Greece 
>>>>> where it became an Olympic sport in 688 B.C. During this time, 
>>>>> fighters used hand wraps made from ox-hide to protect their hands 
>>>>> while engaging in bouts that tested strength and skill. Meanwhile, 
>>>>> fencing has its own rich history, evolving through the Middle Ages 
>>>>> into a formalized system of combat training with swords.
>>>>>
>>>>> Integration of Combat Techniques
>>>>>
>>>>> The relationship between boxing and fencing is particularly evident 
>>>>> in the way both disciplines emphasize similar principles of 
>>>>> movement and striking. Early boxing was often referred to as 
>>>>> “fencing with the fists,” indicating a direct influence from 
>>>>> swordsmanship techniques. This integration meant that many boxing 
>>>>> coaches were also skilled fencers who taught their students not 
>>>>> only how to box but also how to defend themselves using both armed 
>>>>> and unarmed techniques.
>>>>>
>>>>> Evolution of Stances and Striking Methods
>>>>>
>>>>> The stance adopted by boxers has been influenced by fencing 
>>>>> positions. For instance, the orthodox stance in boxing—where the 
>>>>> left foot is forward for right-handed fighters—mirrors the leading 
>>>>> leg position seen in many forms of swordplay. This alignment allows 
>>>>> for effective weight distribution when delivering punches, akin to 
>>>>> how a fencer positions themselves for thrusts or cuts. The emphasis 
>>>>> on straight punches in boxing reflects the fencing principle that 
>>>>> straight attacks are more efficient than circular ones.
>>>>>
>>>>> Influence on Training Practices
>>>>>
>>>>> Fencing instructors historically incorporated unarmed combat 
>>>>> training into their curricula. As boxing evolved into a distinct 
>>>>> sport during the 17th century in Western Europe, it retained 
>>>>> elements from fencing training. Coaches taught boxers techniques 
>>>>> derived from both disciplines, focusing on agility, timing, and 
>>>>> precision—skills essential for both sword fighting and boxing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Conclusion: The Interconnectedness of Boxing and Fencing
>>>>>
>>>>> In summary, boxing was indeed influenced by fencing, as evidenced 
>>>>> by shared techniques, stances, and training practices throughout 
>>>>> history. The evolution of these martial arts demonstrates how they 
>>>>> have informed one another over centuries, creating a rich tapestry 
>>>>> of combat sports that continue to evolve today.
>>>>
>>>> Whoa - thx for the deep dive I should have made in lieu of a flip 
>>>> comment, nicely done sir!
>>>>
>>>
>>> Well, in essence it is of course not a violent sport, but due to its 
>>> very long history, strange cases of violence does happen! I heard a 
>>> story about a chess master getting to upset he hit a camera man while 
>>> storming from a chess game that did not turn out as expected! =O
>>
>> Lol...Spasky or Fischer?
>>
> 
> Haha, no, on a level far, far below theirs. But that's another classic 
> in terms of psychological warfare!

Ah yes ...multi-dimensional chess is its own reward (or not) in due time.


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