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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!reader5.news.weretis.net!news.solani.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Coogan's Bluff <ft.tryon@park.invalid> Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking Subject: Re: [OT] Tyson/Paul Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2024 09:50:41 -0700 Message-ID: <vhigd3$dbbo$7@solani.org> References: <lpqafhFoc5pU1@mid.individual.net> <b37953f2e5be27128283ecf7831fad2d@www.novabbs.com> <vha5o5$1a9p$2@dont-email.me> <vha6ug$1hie$1@dont-email.me> <vhabuh$2jlu$1@dont-email.me> <350a82453c1e477c26f04eb3073ce990@www.novabbs.com> <vhb794$87hu$2@dont-email.me> <vhb90i$9ggh$2@solani.org> <vhbbng$9504$2@dont-email.me> <lpuffsFcveaU1@mid.individual.net> <vhd6q8$nmeu$2@dont-email.me> <vhdgfe$ffj4$26@solani.org> <0d56e78c-81be-e76b-348a-b10686a7299c@example.net> <vhfp8k$jbo3$18@solani.org> <45cca138-db5b-9368-994f-95f050de46e3@example.net> <vhg2o2$c49p$2@solani.org> <8c40960e-8665-ab9c-357d-a799573584e4@example.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2024 17:03:31 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: solani.org; logging-data="437624"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@news.solani.org" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/91.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.19 Cancel-Lock: sha1:pfZuForfTk4T7D8LBRlt5VjiQEo= In-Reply-To: <8c40960e-8665-ab9c-357d-a799573584e4@example.net> X-User-ID: eJwNyskBwDAIA7CV4oI5xglQ9h+h1VsUg7Wr0ZTLHSAf1Lv3CqOzMNnEFs9fONpwtCC9QwR7dspDjtbcrMAHUu4VWA== Bytes: 6433 Lines: 116 D wrote: > > > On Mon, 18 Nov 2024, Coogan's Bluff wrote: > >> D wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Mon, 18 Nov 2024, Coogan's Bluff wrote: >>> >>>> D wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, 17 Nov 2024, Coogan's Bluff wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Bruce wrote: >>>>>>> On Sun, 17 Nov 2024 15:12:59 +0000, S Viemeister >>>>>>> <firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 17/11/2024 00:00, Bruce wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Sat, 16 Nov 2024 16:14:26 -0700, Coogan's Bluff >>>>>>>>> <ft.tryon@park.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So wrestling or fencing are equally intolerable? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I don't think the aim of those sports is to injure your >>>>>>>>> opponent. Of >>>>>>>>> course, American wrestling is a clown show. Everybody knows that. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Fencing is more like dancing. Rather elegant, in fact, if done >>>>>>>> well. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Fencing instruction was required at drama school, and it was one >>>>>>>> of my >>>>>>>> favourite classes. We fenced without masks or other protective >>>>>>>> gear. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've never done it, but it clearly has nothing in common with >>>>>>> boxing. >>>>>>> >>>>>> Both emulate life/death adversarial encounters, Trigger... >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> This is not correct, boxing and fencing are related. >>>>> >>>>> Was boxing influenced by fencing? >>>>> >>>>> Historical Context of Boxing and Fencing >>>>> >>>>> Boxing, as a sport, has deep historical roots that intertwine with >>>>> various forms of combat, including fencing. The origins of boxing >>>>> can be traced back to ancient civilizations, notably in Greece >>>>> where it became an Olympic sport in 688 B.C. During this time, >>>>> fighters used hand wraps made from ox-hide to protect their hands >>>>> while engaging in bouts that tested strength and skill. Meanwhile, >>>>> fencing has its own rich history, evolving through the Middle Ages >>>>> into a formalized system of combat training with swords. >>>>> >>>>> Integration of Combat Techniques >>>>> >>>>> The relationship between boxing and fencing is particularly evident >>>>> in the way both disciplines emphasize similar principles of >>>>> movement and striking. Early boxing was often referred to as >>>>> “fencing with the fists,” indicating a direct influence from >>>>> swordsmanship techniques. This integration meant that many boxing >>>>> coaches were also skilled fencers who taught their students not >>>>> only how to box but also how to defend themselves using both armed >>>>> and unarmed techniques. >>>>> >>>>> Evolution of Stances and Striking Methods >>>>> >>>>> The stance adopted by boxers has been influenced by fencing >>>>> positions. For instance, the orthodox stance in boxing—where the >>>>> left foot is forward for right-handed fighters—mirrors the leading >>>>> leg position seen in many forms of swordplay. This alignment allows >>>>> for effective weight distribution when delivering punches, akin to >>>>> how a fencer positions themselves for thrusts or cuts. The emphasis >>>>> on straight punches in boxing reflects the fencing principle that >>>>> straight attacks are more efficient than circular ones. >>>>> >>>>> Influence on Training Practices >>>>> >>>>> Fencing instructors historically incorporated unarmed combat >>>>> training into their curricula. As boxing evolved into a distinct >>>>> sport during the 17th century in Western Europe, it retained >>>>> elements from fencing training. Coaches taught boxers techniques >>>>> derived from both disciplines, focusing on agility, timing, and >>>>> precision—skills essential for both sword fighting and boxing. >>>>> >>>>> Conclusion: The Interconnectedness of Boxing and Fencing >>>>> >>>>> In summary, boxing was indeed influenced by fencing, as evidenced >>>>> by shared techniques, stances, and training practices throughout >>>>> history. The evolution of these martial arts demonstrates how they >>>>> have informed one another over centuries, creating a rich tapestry >>>>> of combat sports that continue to evolve today. >>>> >>>> Whoa - thx for the deep dive I should have made in lieu of a flip >>>> comment, nicely done sir! >>>> >>> >>> Well, in essence it is of course not a violent sport, but due to its >>> very long history, strange cases of violence does happen! I heard a >>> story about a chess master getting to upset he hit a camera man while >>> storming from a chess game that did not turn out as expected! =O >> >> Lol...Spasky or Fischer? >> > > Haha, no, on a level far, far below theirs. But that's another classic > in terms of psychological warfare! Ah yes ...multi-dimensional chess is its own reward (or not) in due time. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ylQYCWrnQz8?feature=share