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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.quux.org!eternal-september.org!feeder2.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2024 18:04:10 -0500 Organization: Peripheral Visions Lines: 27 Message-ID: <vhlptf$aapp$1@dont-email.me> References: <vg7cp8$9jka$1@dont-email.me> <8165b44b-1ba5-429d-8317-0b043b214b53@att.net> <vh76bi$3bnde$1@dont-email.me> <d90452a5-965b-443f-9146-96cdf9b3906c@att.net> <vh8ft0$3jqb5$3@dont-email.me> <vh8g5e$3juug$1@dont-email.me> <vh8otd$3lhlt$2@dont-email.me> <vhb1is$6hbv$2@dont-email.me> <vhb1mu$6hbv$4@dont-email.me> <vhb32t$7ese$1@dont-email.me> <vhch7n$hge9$2@dont-email.me> <vhcieh$jjk5$1@dont-email.me> <vhcjg5$hdd4$3@dont-email.me> <vhckkh$k32g$1@dont-email.me> <vhcp0r$hge9$6@dont-email.me> <vhd7d7$nt37$1@dont-email.me> <vhd9lq$obb0$1@dont-email.me> <vhdl0k$qltl$1@dont-email.me> <vhfqcv$1adld$1@dont-email.me> <vhfso7$1bik6$1@dont-email.me> <vhg0h8$1adlc$4@dont-email.me> <vhgd9j$1eq8t$1@dont-email.me> <vhgebm$1eu67$2@dont-email.me> <vhgfo7$1f8j9$1@dont-email.me> <vhiak4$1sjsn$2@dont-email.me> <vhif57$1u588$1@dont-email.me> <vhkj7j$25fe$2@dont-email.me> <vhkqv3$4jv7$1@dont-email.me> <vhl426$5tug$1@dont-email.me> <vhlfkv$8ist$1@dont-email.me> <vhljug$9ahi$1@dont-email.me> Reply-To: erratic.howard@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2024 00:04:15 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="bc0209013df7ddbc518d0c69506880c6"; logging-data="338745"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18mAvYRjG46J309eLVLP9BltvyZlncYdAg=" Cancel-Lock: sha1:9z4bpcIdNRXLUfwMs4VVz5mMkPA= X-ICQ: 1701145376 X-Newsreader: MesNews/1.08.06.00-gb Bytes: 3083 WM explained on 11/20/2024 : > On 20.11.2024 21:08, FromTheRafters wrote: >> WM was thinking very hard : >>> On 20.11.2024 15:15, FromTheRafters wrote: >>>> WM explained on 11/20/2024 : >>>>> set theory claims that all natural numbers can be counted to such that >>>>> no successors remain. >>>> >>>> No it doesn't. >>> >>> Even all rationals and algebraics. >>> >>> "we get the epitome (ω) of all real algebraic numbers [...] and with >>> respect to this order we can talk about the nth algebraic number where not >>> a single one of this epitome has been forgotten" >>> "The infinite sequence thus defined has the peculiar property to contain >>> the positive rational numbers completely, and each of them only once at a >>> determined place" >> >> Which doesn't support your claim at all. No mention whatsoever of no >> successors remaining. > > "not a single one of this epitome has been forgotten" means not a single one > remaining, let alone more than one. No it doesn't, it means the system used to list them is inherently unable to miss any.