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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating
 itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2024 20:39:05 -0600
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On 11/20/2024 5:50 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 11/20/24 5:04 PM, olcott wrote:
>> On 11/19/2024 9:41 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>> On 11/19/24 10:26 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>> On 11/19/2024 5:37 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>> On 11/19/24 11:54 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/19/2024 10:32 AM, joes wrote:
>>>>>>> Am Tue, 19 Nov 2024 08:44:17 -0600 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>>>> On 11/19/2024 5:56 AM, joes wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Am Mon, 18 Nov 2024 14:21:04 -0600 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>>>>>> On 11/18/2024 1:23 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/18/24 2:07 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/18/2024 1:02 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/18/24 1:41 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/18/2024 10:16 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/17/24 11:04 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/17/2024 9:19 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/17/24 9:47 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/17/2024 8:26 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/17/24 8:46 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/17/2024 4:04 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/17/24 4:30 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/17/2024 2:51 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/17/24 1:36 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which is just what YOU are doing, as "Halting" and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Program" is are DEFINED, and you can't change it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> YET ANOTHER STUPID LIE.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A SMART LIAR WOULD NEVER SAY THAT I MEANT PROGRAM 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WHEN I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ALWAYS SPECIFIED A C FUNCTION.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But then you can talk about "emulation" or x86 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> semantics, as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> both of those are operations done on PROGRAMS.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No stupid I provided a published paper that includes the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> termination analysis of C functions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Look again at what they process. C functions that 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> include all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the functions they call.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You stupidly claimed termination analysis is only done on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> programs. I proved that you were stupidly wrong on pages 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 24-27
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the PDF of this paper.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Automated Termination Analysis of C Programs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://publications.rwth-aachen.de/record/972440/files/
>>>>>>> 972440.pdf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The problem here is you are mixing language between domains.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I said the termination analysis applies to C functions you 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> said
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that it does not. No weasel words around it YOU WERE WRONG!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Termination analysis applies to FUNCTIONS, FULL FUNCTIONS, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that include everything that is part of them. Those things, in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> computation theory, are called PROGRAMS.
>>>>>>>>>>>> The top of PDF page 24 are not programs defection for brains.
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://publications.rwth-aachen.de/record/972440/ 
>>>>>>>>>>>> files/972440.pdf
>>>>>>>>>>> Those *ARE* "Computation Theory" Programs.
>>>>>>>>>>> They are also  LEAF functions, unlike your DDD.
>>>>>>>>>>> NOTHING in that paper (form what I can see) talks about 
>>>>>>>>>>> handling non-
>>>>>>>>>>> leaf-functions with including all the code in the routines it 
>>>>>>>>>>> calls.
>>>>>>>>>> Since the halting problem is defined to have the input call 
>>>>>>>>>> its own
>>>>>>>>>> termination analyzer and the termination analyzer is itself 
>>>>>>>>>> required
>>>>>>>>>> to halt then any sequence of this input that would prevent it 
>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>> halting IS A NON-HALTING SEQUENCE THAT MUST BE ABORTED AND 
>>>>>>>>>> CANNOT BE
>>>>>>>>>> ALLOWED TO CONTINUE.
>>>>>>>>> What happens when we run HHH(HHH)?
>>>>>>>> The ONLY thing that it relevant
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Whatever. I was asking a different question. Furthermore, what 
>>>>>>> happens
>>>>>>> when we run HHH1(DDD), HHH1(DDD1), HHH(DDD1)?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I cannot afford to tolerate changing the subject to irrelevant
>>>>>> points. Ben Bacarisse had me stuck for 15 years with his
>>>>>> change-the-subject rebuttals. My cancer has gotten worse too
>>>>>> soon so I can't waste time on that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then why did you do it?
>>>>>
>>>>> After all, you stated goal is to prove halting is decidable, 
>>>>
>>>> Through a specific sequence of steps.
>>>>
>>>
>>> But arguements based on nonsense don't provide steps to a proof.
>>>
>>
>> You are a damned liar.
>>
>>
> 
> Nope. but it seems you are.
> 

What I say is proven true by the meaning of its words
and you lie about this condemning yourself to actual Hell.

DDD emulated by any HHH cannot possibly reach its "return"
instruction final halt state.

That you say this is untrue is a despicable lie and
you know it.

That it is true and seems irrelevant to you would not
be a lie. You seem to prefer to lie.

-- 
Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer