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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder2.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> Newsgroups: sci.logic Subject: Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2024 20:21:06 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 45 Message-ID: <vho171$otvf$1@dont-email.me> References: <vg7cp8$9jka$1@dont-email.me> <vgleau$bi0i$2@solani.org> <vgnq3i$3qgfe$1@dont-email.me> <vgoka6$3vg2p$1@dont-email.me> <vgq1cm$b5vj$1@dont-email.me> <vgq3ca$beif$1@dont-email.me> <vgsp1c$v1ss$1@dont-email.me> <vgsq2v$v5t1$1@dont-email.me> <vgvm6h$1k8co$1@dont-email.me> <vgvmvr$1kc5f$1@dont-email.me> <vh1vlb$25kic$1@dont-email.me> <vh2j89$29gco$1@dont-email.me> <vh4f7p$2o5hn$1@dont-email.me> <vh4job$2ov2c$1@dont-email.me> <vh78jp$3cbq7$1@dont-email.me> <vh7d5c$3cpaf$1@dont-email.me> <5b8de1bc-9f6c-4dde-a7cd-9e22e8ce19d9@att.net> <vhata3$59e5$2@dont-email.me> <31419fde-62b3-46f3-89f6-a48f1fe82bc0@att.net> <vhc77g$hdd4$1@dont-email.me> <476ae6cb-1116-44b1-843e-4be90d594372@att.net> <vhhr6f$1q0r9$1@dont-email.me> <ffa63cb5-8898-4aa7-80eb-8b2c51c9986d@att.net> <vhkhun$28qt$1@dont-email.me> <vhmtph$j1ek$1@dont-email.me> <vhn1jk$jf6v$1@dont-email.me> <27b8de9e-a17e-4116-ab5e-1e552bea0fce@att.net> <vhnmsi$n2pc$1@dont-email.me> <6d0d8060-fb60-4da6-bcdb-adc13a6179b0@att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2024 20:21:05 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="56fd42f3dbe31aee8233c4a1d22ff497"; logging-data="817135"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/kHAyjjkP37xLwJIRJwGlvrbfJwdJB91I=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:3mFhof9nnA6wnznJWYBI3UCbiNA= In-Reply-To: <6d0d8060-fb60-4da6-bcdb-adc13a6179b0@att.net> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3346 On 21.11.2024 19:54, Jim Burns wrote: > On 11/21/2024 11:24 AM, WM wrote: >> By what is it covered, >> after all n have been proved unable? > > ⎛ n ↦ i/j ↦ n > ⎜ > ⎜ (i+j) := ⌈(2⋅n+¼)¹ᐟ²+½⌉ > ⎜ i := n-((i+j)-1)⋅((i+j)-2)/2 > ⎜ j := (i+j)-i > ⎜ > ⎝ (i+j-1)⋅(i+j-2)/2+i = n That is not an answer. Further it is only valid for the first numbers which are followed by almost all numbers. Never completed. >> There is no reason to believe in magic. > >> But if you do, then >> all Cantor-bijections can fail as well >> "in the infinite". >> Then mathematics is insufficient >> to determine limits. > > I am not enough of a scholar to know > that this is true of _all_ mathematics, but > I know that much knowledge of infinity, > including what I'm most familiar with, > is grounded in the _finite_ Either limits can be calculated from the finite, or not. If not, then Cantor's attempts are in vain from the scratch. If yes, then Cantor's attempts have been contradicted. > > Here, I DON'T refer to finite numbers, etc. > I refer to finite sequences of CLAIMS, > each of which is true.or.not.first.false. That is the sequence of claims that limits can be calculated from the finite and never the real axis is coloured black. Regards, WM