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From: Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
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Subject: Re: OT: Trump's Cabinet Picks
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2024 15:12:03 +1100
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On 22/11/2024 2:17 am, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> On a sunny day (Fri, 22 Nov 2024 00:51:13 +1100) it happened Bill Sloman
> <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <vhndst$lnst$1@dont-email.me>:
> 
>> On 21/11/2024 8:47 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>> On a sunny day (Thu, 21 Nov 2024 17:45:17 +1100) it happened Bill Sloman
>>> <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <vhmku6$hfh9$4@dont-email.me>:
>>>
>>>> On 21/11/2024 2:27 pm, john larkin wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 19 Nov 2024 16:55:12 -0800, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 17 Nov 2024 18:13:19 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> Russia versus YouCrane
>>> It makes no sense other then weapon sales, weakening Europe, same as that other democrat Clinton did.
>>
>> Russia seems to think it makes sense. It's been working on nibbling off
>> bits of the Ukraine for years - starting with the Crimean peninsula in
>> 2014. Zelensky wasn't in power back then. He didn't get elected until 2019.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Crimea_by_the_Russian_Federation
>>
>> This didn't generate much in the way of weapons sales. The Russian
>> invasion of the Ukraine in 2022 did generate quite a lot of weapons
>> sales, but that was a purely Russian initiative.
> 
> Nope, After ByeThen met Putin and asked him what would be un-acceptable to him
> ByeThen did exactly that and that way triggered that war, 'lensky is just a CIA agent
> like many others all over the world making unrest so YouAsh can sell more weapons.
> With Trump as the new King of States maybe he gets that deep state working for the common people
> not having to pay taxes for a few ruthless weapon manufacturers and their sales men killing
> millions all over the world and in their own country, even kids in schools shooting each other with automatic weapons.
> Better fix the infrastructure, again thousands without power, now in the west.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>> If you have a problem getting loose a big nut, use BIG pliers!
>>> The nut in this case is Zelensky and sending toy drones is like destroying one precious tweezers after the other to get it
>>> lose.
>>
>> Zelensky didn't start the war, and his crime - in your eyes - lies in
>> his not having surrendered to the Russians in 2022 as they clearly
>> expected him to.
>>
>>> Get the biggest pliers you have and that is nukes for Russia, nuke Kiev and be done with it
>>> Bad? And what did the US do in WW2 with the Japanese civilians?
>>
>> The Japanese did start that war - by the surprise attack on the American
>> fleet at Pearl Harbour. It four years of very skilled and expensive work
>> to get the Americans big enough pliers to discourage in the nuts in Tokyo.
>>
>> Dropping hydrogen bombs on Kyiv might win the war against the Ukraine
>> for the Russians, but the international reaction would probably drop a
>> lot of hydrogen bombs on Moscow and every place where Russia has stocks
>> of nuclear weapons. If Putin got that ambitious there's no telling where
>> he would go next, and premptive destruction would probably minimise
>> Western casualties in the long term  - they'd probably still be huge,
>> but a premptive strike would probably destroy enough Russian nuclear
>> weapons to save some lives in the long run.
> 
> China, Russia, N Korea, Pakistan, India, many more have nukes, and would not just standby and look.

Do pay attention - I was talking about the international reaction to 
Russia having had a psychotic breakdown in it's leadership.

Any country deciding to purge them of the psychotic leaders and as many 
of the nuclear weapons that any survivor might launch could rely on 
support from non-psychotic leaders

> Blowing up the gas pipes from Russia to Europe is equivalent to starting a war.

It didn't start any war. The Russians had already invaded Ukraine when 
it happened.

> Nuking the US into oblivion is a given if it does not change ways.

Russia and China are both behaving badly too - Russia has physically 
invaded Ukraine, which worse than anything the US has done.

> Trump, if he does not get shot by democrats, may be the US's last chance.

Last chance to degenerate into a totally third world country?

Probably not. There are lots of US politicians who are psychotic enough 
to embrace that as an ambition.

Trump hasn't yet had people he doesn't like murdered overseas with the 
US equivalent of novichok, but he seems sympathetic to Putin, who has.

-- 
Bill Sloman, Sydney