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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2024 06:36:28 GMT
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On a sunny day (Fri, 22 Nov 2024 15:12:03 +1100) it happened Bill Sloman
<bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <vhp0at$11gf7$1@dont-email.me>:

>On 22/11/2024 2:17 am, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>> On a sunny day (Fri, 22 Nov 2024 00:51:13 +1100) it happened Bill Sloman
>> <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <vhndst$lnst$1@dont-email.me>:
>> 
>>> On 21/11/2024 8:47 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>>> On a sunny day (Thu, 21 Nov 2024 17:45:17 +1100) it happened Bill Sloman
>>>> <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <vhmku6$hfh9$4@dont-email.me>:
>>>>
>>>>> On 21/11/2024 2:27 pm, john larkin wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 19 Nov 2024 16:55:12 -0800, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 17 Nov 2024 18:13:19 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> Russia versus YouCrane
>>>> It makes no sense other then weapon sales, weakening Europe, same as that other democrat Clinton did.
>>>
>>> Russia seems to think it makes sense. It's been working on nibbling off
>>> bits of the Ukraine for years - starting with the Crimean peninsula in
>>> 2014. Zelensky wasn't in power back then. He didn't get elected until 2019.
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Crimea_by_the_Russian_Federation
>>>
>>> This didn't generate much in the way of weapons sales. The Russian
>>> invasion of the Ukraine in 2022 did generate quite a lot of weapons
>>> sales, but that was a purely Russian initiative.
>> 
>> Nope, After ByeThen met Putin and asked him what would be un-acceptable to him
>> ByeThen did exactly that and that way triggered that war, 'lensky is just a CIA agent
>> like many others all over the world making unrest so YouAsh can sell more weapons.
>> With Trump as the new King of States maybe he gets that deep state working for the common people
>> not having to pay taxes for a few ruthless weapon manufacturers and their sales men killing
>> millions all over the world and in their own country, even kids in schools shooting each other with automatic weapons.
>> Better fix the infrastructure, again thousands without power, now in the west.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>> If you have a problem getting loose a big nut, use BIG pliers!
>>>> The nut in this case is Zelensky and sending toy drones is like destroying one precious tweezers after the other to get it
>>>> lose.
>>>
>>> Zelensky didn't start the war, and his crime - in your eyes - lies in
>>> his not having surrendered to the Russians in 2022 as they clearly
>>> expected him to.
>>>
>>>> Get the biggest pliers you have and that is nukes for Russia, nuke Kiev and be done with it
>>>> Bad? And what did the US do in WW2 with the Japanese civilians?
>>>
>>> The Japanese did start that war - by the surprise attack on the American
>>> fleet at Pearl Harbour. It four years of very skilled and expensive work
>>> to get the Americans big enough pliers to discourage in the nuts in Tokyo.
>>>
>>> Dropping hydrogen bombs on Kyiv might win the war against the Ukraine
>>> for the Russians, but the international reaction would probably drop a
>>> lot of hydrogen bombs on Moscow and every place where Russia has stocks
>>> of nuclear weapons. If Putin got that ambitious there's no telling where
>>> he would go next, and premptive destruction would probably minimise
>>> Western casualties in the long term  - they'd probably still be huge,
>>> but a premptive strike would probably destroy enough Russian nuclear
>>> weapons to save some lives in the long run.
>> 
>> China, Russia, N Korea, Pakistan, India, many more have nukes, and would not just standby and look.
>
>Do pay attention - I was talking about the international reaction to 
>Russia having had a psychotic breakdown in it's leadership.
>
>Any country deciding to purge them of the psychotic leaders and as many 
>of the nuclear weapons that any survivor might launch could rely on 
>support from non-psychotic leaders
>
>> Blowing up the gas pipes from Russia to Europe is equivalent to starting a war.
>
>It didn't start any war. The Russians had already invaded Ukraine when 
>it happened.
>
>> Nuking the US into oblivion is a given if it does not change ways.
>
>Russia and China are both behaving badly too - Russia has physically 
>invaded Ukraine, which worse than anything the US has done.
>
>> Trump, if he does not get shot by democrats, may be the US's last chance.
>
>Last chance to degenerate into a totally third world country?
>
>Probably not. There are lots of US politicians who are psychotic enough 
>to embrace that as an ambition.
>
>Trump hasn't yet had people he doesn't like murdered overseas with the 
>US equivalent of novichok, but he seems sympathetic to Putin, who has.

Brain defective ByeThen and Chameleon are played by the genocide committing YouAsh Youws
Putin was just selling gas to Europe
De-stabilizing the EU (and other regions of the world) just to make the Euro weaker 
has not worked.
YouAsh influence is becoming less, its products suck (F35 is a disaster) so are Boeing planes.. 
cars... 
Now look at this speech I just found on rt.com
blocked in this part of the world on order of the YouAsh

From
 https://www.rt.com/russia/608008-putin-ukraine-full-speech/

Russian President Vladimir Putin delivered a televised address from the Kremlin on Thursday evening
Putin outlines Moscow’s response to Ukraine escalation (FULL SPEECH)

President Vladimir Putin has promised a decisive response to any aggression, criticizing the West for escalating tensions, and reiterated Moscow’s willingness to engage in peace talks to resolve the Ukraine conflict.
Here’s a full text of Putin’s address, as provided by the Kremlin.
President of Russia Vladimir Putin: I would like to inform the military personnel of the Russian Federation Armed Forces, citizens of our country, our friends across the globe, and those who persist in the illusion that a strategic defeat can be inflicted upon Russia, about the events taking place today in the zone of the special military operation, specifically following the attacks by Western long-range weapons against our territory.
The escalation of the conflict in Ukraine, instigated by the West, continues with the United States and its NATO allies previously announcing that they authorise the use of their long-range high-precision weapons for strikes inside the Russian Federation.
Experts are well aware, and the Russian side has repeatedly highlighted it, that the use of such weapons is not possible without the direct involvement of military experts from the manufacturing nations.
On November 19, six ATACMS tactical ballistic missiles produced by the United States, and on November 21, during a combined missile assault involving British Storm Shadow systems and HIMARS systems produced by the US, attacked military facilities inside the Russian Federation in the Bryansk and Kursk regions.
From that point onward, as we have repeatedly emphasised in prior communications, the regional conflict in Ukraine provoked by the West has assumed elements of a global nature.
Our air defence systems successfully counteracted these incursions, preventing the enemy from achieving their apparent objectives.
The fire at the ammunition depot in the Bryansk Region, caused by the debris of ATACMS missiles, was extinguished without casualties or significant damage.
In the Kursk Region, the attack targeted one of the command posts of our group North.
Regrettably, the attack and the subsequent air defence battle resulted in casualties, both fatalities and injuries, among the perimeter security units and servicing staff.
However, the command and operational staff of the control centre suffered no casualties and continues to manage effectively the operations of our forces to eliminate and push enemy units out of the Kursk Region.
I wish to underscore once again that the use by the enemy of such weapons cannot affect the course of combat operations in the special military operation zone.
Our forces are making successful advances along the entire line of contact, and all objectives we have set will be accomplished.
In response to the deployment of American and British long-range weapons, on November 21, the Russian Armed Forces delivered a combined strike on a facility within Ukraine’s defence industrial complex.
In field conditions, we also carried out tests of one of Russia’s latest medium-range missile systems – in this case, carrying a non-nuclear hypersonic ballistic missile that our engineers named Oreshnik.
The tests were successful, achieving the intended objective of the launch.
In the city of Dnepropetrovsk, Ukraine, one of the largest and most famous industrial complexes from the Soviet Union era, which continues to produce missiles and other armaments, was hit.
We are developing intermediate-range and shorter-range missiles in response to US plans to produce and deploy intermediate-range and shorter-range missiles in Europe and the Asia-Pacific region.
We believe that the United States made a mistake by unilaterally destroying the INF Treaty in 2019 under far-fetched pretext.
Today, the United States is not only producing such equipment, but, as we can see, it has worked out ways to deploy its advanced missile systems to different regions of the world, including Europe, during training exercises for its troops.
Moreover, in the course of these exercises, they are conducting training for using them.
As a reminder, Russia has voluntarily and unilaterally committed not to deploy intermediate-range and shorter-range missiles until US weapons of this kind appear in any region of the world.
To reiterate, we are conducting combat tests of the Oreshnik missile system in response to NATO’s aggressive actions against Russia.
Our decision on further deployment of intermediate-range and shorter-range missiles will depend on the actions of the United States and its satellites.
We will determine the targets during further tests of our advanced missile systems based on the threats to the security of the Russian Federation.
We consider ourselves entitled to use our weapons against military facilities of those countries that allow to use their weapons against our facilities, and in case of an escalation of aggressive actions, we will respond decisively and in mirror-like manner.
I recommend that the ruling elites of the countries that are hatching plans to use their military contingents against Russia seriously consider this.
It goes without saying that when choosing, if necessary and as a retaliatory measure, targets to be hit by systems such as Oreshnik on Ukrainian territory, we will in advance suggest that civilians and citizens of friendly countries residing in those areas leave danger zones.
We will do so for humanitarian reasons, openly and publicly, without fear of counter-moves coming from the enemy, who will also be receiving this information.
Why without fear? Because there are no means of countering such weapons today.
Missiles attack targets at a speed of Mach 10, which is 2.5 to 3 kilometres per second.
Air defence systems currently available in the world and missile defence systems being created by the Americans in Europe cannot intercept such missiles.
It is impossible.
I would like to emphasise once again that it was not Russia, but the United States that destroyed the international security system and, by continuing to fight, cling to its hegemony, they are pushing the whole world into a global conflict.
We have always preferred and are ready now to resolve all disputes by peaceful means.
But we are also ready for any turn of events.
If anyone still doubts this, make no mistake: there will always be a response.
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