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From: RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: A child tests positive for H5N1
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2024 08:48:51 -0600
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On 11/21/2024 8:37 PM, RonO wrote:
> On 11/21/2024 6:53 PM, RonO wrote:
>> On 11/21/2024 6:18 PM, RonO wrote:
>>> On 11/20/2024 5:28 PM, RonO wrote:
>>>> On 11/19/2024 5:28 PM, RonO wrote:
>>>>> https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/avian-influenza-bird-flu/california- 
>>>>> reveals- suspected-avian-flu-case-child-mild-symptoms
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/OPA/Pages/NR24-037.aspx
>>>>>
>>>>> The California child is day care age and was showing symptoms while 
>>>>> attending the day care so they are administering preventive 
>>>>> treatment and testing of contacts.
>>>>>
>>>>> The child had no contact with farm animals, and the source of the 
>>>>> virus has not been determined.  They need to sequence it and 
>>>>> determine if it is the dairy virus.  If it is the dairy virus, 
>>>>> infection via dairy products should not be ruled out.  It would be 
>>>>> just like the Missouri infection where there was no known source 
>>>>> except that they had consumed dairy products.  I only saw the milk 
>>>>> claim in one article, and it seems be suppressed at this time.  The 
>>>>> child is only claimed to have had respiratory symptoms.
>>>>>
>>>>> They tested the family members, but they need to do antibody 
>>>>> testing in order to rule out that any of them had been infected 
>>>>> since the child was late in the infection when tested (low amounts 
>>>>> of virus) and was negative 4 days later at the next testing, a 
>>>>> family member could have infected the child and recovered before 
>>>>> being tested.  If they aren't going to test them properly they 
>>>>> should contact trace the family members to determine if they can 
>>>>> track back to a possible source of the infection.
>>>>>
>>>>> They do not seem to be doing things that they should be doing.  The 
>>>>> California report repeats the claim that pasteurization kills the 
>>>>> virus, and it does, but they do not admit to the CDC research 
>>>>> indicating that the the 72 degree C for 15 to 20 sec method of 
>>>>> pasteurization did not kill the virus and some infective virus 
>>>>> survived the treatment to be detected as infective virus.  The FDA 
>>>>> is supposed to be doing more testing, but they don't seem to be 
>>>>> doing it properly, and have not reported their results at this 
>>>>> time.  The CDC results were reported in October, but no one is 
>>>>> taking the results seriously, at least, no one wants to consider 
>>>>> the possibility.  Has anyone else even heard of the CDC tests and 
>>>>> results?  I only found out because they published the results in 
>>>>> their November newsletter published in October.  I haven't seen 
>>>>> anyone else citing that newsletter report.  In early November the 
>>>>> FDA claimed that they were going to start another round of testing, 
>>>>> but it didn't sound like they were going to do the testing the way 
>>>>> that they should.  It is stupid to ask for volunteers and claim to 
>>>>> just forget where the milk came from.  They need to test the milk 
>>>>> out of each truck, and test the milk after pasteurization to see if 
>>>>> any positive loads leaked viable virus, and they need to test each 
>>>>> pasteurization method multiple times at multiple processing plants 
>>>>> handling infected milk. This isn't rocket science and doing things 
>>>>> with the intent to fail is just stupid.
>>>>>
>>>>> What this article doesn't say is that San Francisco, San Jose, and 
>>>>> Palo Alto have had H5N1 detected in their city waste water.  Look 
>>>>> at were Alameda county is (the child is claimed to live in Alameda 
>>>>> county). This child would have been putting virus into their city 
>>>>> waste water.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ron Okimoto
>>>>>
>>>> https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/avian-influenza-bird-flu/avian-flu- 
>>>> infects- more-poultry-4-us-states
>>>>
>>>> Another dairy farm in California confirmed (total 336).  3 more 
>>>> commercial poultry farms went down in California.  Everyone should 
>>>> know by now that they get infected by dairy workers that also work 
>>>> on poultry farms.
>>>>
>>>> Hawaii, Minnesota, and Washington have more poultry outbreaks.  They 
>>>> need to sequence to determine if it is the dairy virus.  Minnesota 
>>>> should know by now that they have infected herds because multiple 
>>>> poultry farms have gone down with the dairy virus, but they won't 
>>>> test their herds.  Where do these guys think that the virus comes from?
>>>>
>>>> 4 states that the USDA wasn't going to test by bulk milk tank 
>>>> testing are going to test their dairy herds.  Pennsylvania, 
>>>> Arkansas, Oklahoma, and Massachusettes.  Massachusettes may already 
>>>> know that the infection did not get into their state.  I recall that 
>>>> they claimed that they were going to test over a month ago.  
>>>> Oklahoma already had some positive herds, but didn't test after the 
>>>> first couple of positives.  Arkansas was on the first FDA list of 
>>>> states producing positive milk products back in May, and they may 
>>>> finally be testing.
>>>>
>>>> More detections in wild birds, but they likely need to confirm what 
>>>> virus infected them.
>>>>
>>>> Ron Okimoto
>>>>
>>>
>>> The CDC is listing the Oregon case as among the dairy virus 
>>> infections, but Oregon is still calling it bird flu.  They have had a 
>>> couple of commercial flocks go down, apparently, with the dairy 
>>> virus, but they refuses to test their dairies.  Oregon is 
>>> recommending that people do not drink unpasteurized dairy products, 
>>> so they likely have a good idea where the virus is coming from.
>>>
>>> https://www.opb.org/article/2024/11/15/oregon-first-human-case-bird- 
>>> avian-flu-influenza/
>>>
>>> The refusal to identify all the infected dairies and try to contain 
>>> the infection is just crazy at this time.
>>>
>>> The workers do not know that they should be wearing protective gear, 
>>> and more of them can expect to be infected.
>>>
>>> Ron Okimoto
>>>
>> https://www.cdc.gov/bird-flu/situation-summary/mammals.html
>>
>> It looks like a lot of herds since the last update 11/18, with most 
>> having 11/18 confirmation dates, have been added to Californias total 
>> today the total on the excel sheet went up to 398.  It was 336 before 
>> the update.  It may be a glitch in how they updated their data, but 
>> the highest sample submission number is now CA417 so there are still 
>> unconfirmed samples in the que.
>>
>> The USDA still haven't posted any numbers from their state wide bulk 
>> milk tank testing that they were going to start within 30 days a 
>> couple weeks ago.  Who knows what they are going to find.  It looks 
>> like California has identified around 400 herds so far just by contact 
>> tracing of dairies that share workers and equipment.  There are only 
>> 1300 dairies in the state, and samples have been submitted for over 
>> 400 of them for verification.  Just think what they would have found 
>> if Texas and Michigan had started contact tracing and testing herds at 
>> the beginning of this fiasco.  California was confident that they 
>> could contain the infection because most of the dairies were large 
>> enough to have full time staff and would not have workers working on 
>> multiple dairies like states with smaller herds and part time staff.
>>
>> There are obviously more states than 15 with infected herds, and more 
>> infected herds in the infected states that are not looking for 
>> infected herds.
>>
>> Ron Okimoto
>>
> 
> https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/avian-influenza-bird-flu/avian-flu- 
> confirmed-62-more-california-dairy-farms-virus-strikes-more
> 
> CIDRAP is confirming that 62 more California dairies have been confirmed 
> to be infected, and multiple poultry flocks around the mid west and West 
> coast.  It is likely time that the USDA bites the bullet on this one and 
> starts recommending that commercial poultry farms do not allow dairy 
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