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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
Newsgroups: comp.theory
Subject: Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating
 itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2024 12:44:11 -0600
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On 11/22/2024 12:37 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 11/22/24 1:28 PM, olcott wrote:
>> On 11/22/2024 12:07 PM, joes wrote:
>>> Am Fri, 22 Nov 2024 10:36:25 -0600 schrieb olcott:
>>>> On 11/22/2024 9:16 AM, joes wrote:
>>>>> Am Fri, 22 Nov 2024 08:50:33 -0600 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>> On 11/22/2024 6:20 AM, joes wrote:
>>>>>>> Am Thu, 21 Nov 2024 15:19:43 -0600 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>>>> On 11/21/2024 3:11 PM, joes wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Am Thu, 21 Nov 2024 09:19:03 -0600 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>>>>>> On 11/20/2024 10:00 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/20/24 9:57 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/20/2024 5:51 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/20/24 5:03 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/20/2024 3:53 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-11-20 03:23:12 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/19/2024 4:12 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-11-18 20:42:02 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/18/2024 3:41 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The "the mapping" on the subject line is not correct. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subject line does not specify which mapping and there is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no larger context that could specify that. Therefore it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should be "a mapping".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-11-17 18:36:17 +0000, olcott said:
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But it gets the wrong answer for the halting problem, as DDD 
>>>>>>>>>>> dpes
>>>>>>>>>>> halt.
>>>>>>>>>> DDD emulated by HHH does not halt.
>>>>>>>>> Whatever. DDD halts and HHH should return that.
>>>>>>>> IT IS NOT THE SAME INSTANCE OF DDD.
>>>>>>> All instances of DDD behave the same (if it is a pure function and
>>>>>>> the HHH called from it doesn't switch behaviour by a static
>>>>>>> variable).
>>>>>> Only HHH is required to be a pure function, DDD is expressly allowed
>>>>>> to be any damn thing.
>>>>> TMs don't have side effects, such as reading a static Root variable.
>>>> The static root variable has not one damn thing to do with the
>>>> fact that DDD emulated by HHH cannot possibly reach its own "return"
>>>> instruction.
>>> It does. If it were always set to True, all instances of the same HHH
>>> would abort and halt. Why else would it be there?
>>>
>>
>> WE HAVE NOT BEEN TALKING ABOUT ABORT/NOT ABORT
>> FOR THREE FREAKING MONTHS. WAKE THE F-CK UP.
>>
>> WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT DDD EMULATED BY HHH
>> REACHING ITS FINAL HALT STATE
>>
> 
> So, does HHH abort or not abort it emulation?
> 

Of the infinite set of every HHH that emulates N steps
of DDD no DDD ever reaches its final halt state.

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