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From: RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: A child tests positive for H5N1
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2024 12:56:38 -0600
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On 11/22/2024 8:48 AM, RonO wrote:
> On 11/21/2024 8:37 PM, RonO wrote:
>> On 11/21/2024 6:53 PM, RonO wrote:
>>> On 11/21/2024 6:18 PM, RonO wrote:
>>>> On 11/20/2024 5:28 PM, RonO wrote:
>>>>> On 11/19/2024 5:28 PM, RonO wrote:
>>>>>> https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/avian-influenza-bird-flu/california- 
>>>>>> reveals- suspected-avian-flu-case-child-mild-symptoms
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/OPA/Pages/NR24-037.aspx
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The California child is day care age and was showing symptoms 
>>>>>> while attending the day care so they are administering preventive 
>>>>>> treatment and testing of contacts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The child had no contact with farm animals, and the source of the 
>>>>>> virus has not been determined.  They need to sequence it and 
>>>>>> determine if it is the dairy virus.  If it is the dairy virus, 
>>>>>> infection via dairy products should not be ruled out.  It would be 
>>>>>> just like the Missouri infection where there was no known source 
>>>>>> except that they had consumed dairy products.  I only saw the milk 
>>>>>> claim in one article, and it seems be suppressed at this time.  
>>>>>> The child is only claimed to have had respiratory symptoms.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They tested the family members, but they need to do antibody 
>>>>>> testing in order to rule out that any of them had been infected 
>>>>>> since the child was late in the infection when tested (low amounts 
>>>>>> of virus) and was negative 4 days later at the next testing, a 
>>>>>> family member could have infected the child and recovered before 
>>>>>> being tested.  If they aren't going to test them properly they 
>>>>>> should contact trace the family members to determine if they can 
>>>>>> track back to a possible source of the infection.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They do not seem to be doing things that they should be doing.  
>>>>>> The California report repeats the claim that pasteurization kills 
>>>>>> the virus, and it does, but they do not admit to the CDC research 
>>>>>> indicating that the the 72 degree C for 15 to 20 sec method of 
>>>>>> pasteurization did not kill the virus and some infective virus 
>>>>>> survived the treatment to be detected as infective virus.  The FDA 
>>>>>> is supposed to be doing more testing, but they don't seem to be 
>>>>>> doing it properly, and have not reported their results at this 
>>>>>> time.  The CDC results were reported in October, but no one is 
>>>>>> taking the results seriously, at least, no one wants to consider 
>>>>>> the possibility.  Has anyone else even heard of the CDC tests and 
>>>>>> results?  I only found out because they published the results in 
>>>>>> their November newsletter published in October.  I haven't seen 
>>>>>> anyone else citing that newsletter report.  In early November the 
>>>>>> FDA claimed that they were going to start another round of 
>>>>>> testing, but it didn't sound like they were going to do the 
>>>>>> testing the way that they should.  It is stupid to ask for 
>>>>>> volunteers and claim to just forget where the milk came from.  
>>>>>> They need to test the milk out of each truck, and test the milk 
>>>>>> after pasteurization to see if any positive loads leaked viable 
>>>>>> virus, and they need to test each pasteurization method multiple 
>>>>>> times at multiple processing plants handling infected milk. This 
>>>>>> isn't rocket science and doing things with the intent to fail is 
>>>>>> just stupid.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What this article doesn't say is that San Francisco, San Jose, and 
>>>>>> Palo Alto have had H5N1 detected in their city waste water.  Look 
>>>>>> at were Alameda county is (the child is claimed to live in Alameda 
>>>>>> county). This child would have been putting virus into their city 
>>>>>> waste water.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ron Okimoto
>>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/avian-influenza-bird-flu/avian-flu- 
>>>>> infects- more-poultry-4-us-states
>>>>>
>>>>> Another dairy farm in California confirmed (total 336).  3 more 
>>>>> commercial poultry farms went down in California.  Everyone should 
>>>>> know by now that they get infected by dairy workers that also work 
>>>>> on poultry farms.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hawaii, Minnesota, and Washington have more poultry outbreaks.  
>>>>> They need to sequence to determine if it is the dairy virus.  
>>>>> Minnesota should know by now that they have infected herds because 
>>>>> multiple poultry farms have gone down with the dairy virus, but 
>>>>> they won't test their herds.  Where do these guys think that the 
>>>>> virus comes from?
>>>>>
>>>>> 4 states that the USDA wasn't going to test by bulk milk tank 
>>>>> testing are going to test their dairy herds.  Pennsylvania, 
>>>>> Arkansas, Oklahoma, and Massachusettes.  Massachusettes may already 
>>>>> know that the infection did not get into their state.  I recall 
>>>>> that they claimed that they were going to test over a month ago. 
>>>>> Oklahoma already had some positive herds, but didn't test after the 
>>>>> first couple of positives.  Arkansas was on the first FDA list of 
>>>>> states producing positive milk products back in May, and they may 
>>>>> finally be testing.
>>>>>
>>>>> More detections in wild birds, but they likely need to confirm what 
>>>>> virus infected them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ron Okimoto
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The CDC is listing the Oregon case as among the dairy virus 
>>>> infections, but Oregon is still calling it bird flu.  They have had 
>>>> a couple of commercial flocks go down, apparently, with the dairy 
>>>> virus, but they refuses to test their dairies.  Oregon is 
>>>> recommending that people do not drink unpasteurized dairy products, 
>>>> so they likely have a good idea where the virus is coming from.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.opb.org/article/2024/11/15/oregon-first-human-case-bird- 
>>>> avian-flu-influenza/
>>>>
>>>> The refusal to identify all the infected dairies and try to contain 
>>>> the infection is just crazy at this time.
>>>>
>>>> The workers do not know that they should be wearing protective gear, 
>>>> and more of them can expect to be infected.
>>>>
>>>> Ron Okimoto
>>>>
>>> https://www.cdc.gov/bird-flu/situation-summary/mammals.html
>>>
>>> It looks like a lot of herds since the last update 11/18, with most 
>>> having 11/18 confirmation dates, have been added to Californias total 
>>> today the total on the excel sheet went up to 398.  It was 336 before 
>>> the update.  It may be a glitch in how they updated their data, but 
>>> the highest sample submission number is now CA417 so there are still 
>>> unconfirmed samples in the que.
>>>
>>> The USDA still haven't posted any numbers from their state wide bulk 
>>> milk tank testing that they were going to start within 30 days a 
>>> couple weeks ago.  Who knows what they are going to find.  It looks 
>>> like California has identified around 400 herds so far just by 
>>> contact tracing of dairies that share workers and equipment.  There 
>>> are only 1300 dairies in the state, and samples have been submitted 
>>> for over 400 of them for verification.  Just think what they would 
>>> have found if Texas and Michigan had started contact tracing and 
>>> testing herds at the beginning of this fiasco.  California was 
>>> confident that they could contain the infection because most of the 
>>> dairies were large enough to have full time staff and would not have 
>>> workers working on multiple dairies like states with smaller herds 
>>> and part time staff.
>>>
>>> There are obviously more states than 15 with infected herds, and more 
>>> infected herds in the infected states that are not looking for 
>>> infected herds.
>>>
>>> Ron Okimoto
>>>
>>
>> https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/avian-influenza-bird-flu/avian-flu- 
>> confirmed-62-more-california-dairy-farms-virus-strikes-more
>>
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