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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating
 itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2024 16:57:49 -0600
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On 11/22/2024 2:03 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 11/22/24 1:44 PM, olcott wrote:
>> On 11/22/2024 12:37 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>> On 11/22/24 1:28 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>> On 11/22/2024 12:07 PM, joes wrote:
>>>>> Am Fri, 22 Nov 2024 10:36:25 -0600 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>> On 11/22/2024 9:16 AM, joes wrote:
>>>>>>> Am Fri, 22 Nov 2024 08:50:33 -0600 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>>>> On 11/22/2024 6:20 AM, joes wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Am Thu, 21 Nov 2024 15:19:43 -0600 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>>>>>> On 11/21/2024 3:11 PM, joes wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Am Thu, 21 Nov 2024 09:19:03 -0600 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/20/2024 10:00 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/20/24 9:57 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/20/2024 5:51 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/20/24 5:03 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/20/2024 3:53 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-11-20 03:23:12 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/19/2024 4:12 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-11-18 20:42:02 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/18/2024 3:41 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The "the mapping" on the subject line is not 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> correct. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subject line does not specify which mapping and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no larger context that could specify that. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Therefore it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should be "a mapping".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-11-17 18:36:17 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But it gets the wrong answer for the halting problem, as 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> DDD dpes
>>>>>>>>>>>>> halt.
>>>>>>>>>>>> DDD emulated by HHH does not halt.
>>>>>>>>>>> Whatever. DDD halts and HHH should return that.
>>>>>>>>>> IT IS NOT THE SAME INSTANCE OF DDD.
>>>>>>>>> All instances of DDD behave the same (if it is a pure function and
>>>>>>>>> the HHH called from it doesn't switch behaviour by a static
>>>>>>>>> variable).
>>>>>>>> Only HHH is required to be a pure function, DDD is expressly 
>>>>>>>> allowed
>>>>>>>> to be any damn thing.
>>>>>>> TMs don't have side effects, such as reading a static Root variable.
>>>>>> The static root variable has not one damn thing to do with the
>>>>>> fact that DDD emulated by HHH cannot possibly reach its own "return"
>>>>>> instruction.
>>>>> It does. If it were always set to True, all instances of the same HHH
>>>>> would abort and halt. Why else would it be there?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> WE HAVE NOT BEEN TALKING ABOUT ABORT/NOT ABORT
>>>> FOR THREE FREAKING MONTHS. WAKE THE F-CK UP.
>>>>
>>>> WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT DDD EMULATED BY HHH
>>>> REACHING ITS FINAL HALT STATE
>>>>
>>>
>>> So, does HHH abort or not abort it emulation?
>>>
>>
>> Of the infinite set of every HHH that emulates N steps
>> of DDD no DDD ever reaches its final halt state.
>>
> 
> So?
> 
> Without including HHH in the input, at least implicitly, they couldn't 
> have done what you said, so you are admitting that the actual input DDD 
> must include the code of HHH, or you are just a liar.
> 

You are just trying to get away with changing the subject.
The question is: Can DDD emulated by any HHH possibly
reach its final halt state.

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