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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.quux.org!eternal-september.org!feeder2.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: OT: Repeatably lobbing "projectiles" Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2024 16:41:18 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 51 Message-ID: <vhr4r7$1cecu$4@dont-email.me> References: <vhmm2k$hpg1$1@dont-email.me> <m02vjjtfpcppf5ljrfl740k10oj44b4l96@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2024 00:41:28 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="01962a914581412c1fe91addb5218a72"; logging-data="1456542"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18vWat3E7LcJO8Yd5RLMG8o" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.2.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:v+f8tY/dPLqXBh9C5cvwk9TtrGU= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <m02vjjtfpcppf5ljrfl740k10oj44b4l96@4ax.com> Bytes: 3129 On 11/21/2024 12:23 PM, Joe Gwinn wrote: >> Any other ideas, given latitude in the design of the projectile? > > It sounds like you need a steel-spring crossbow mechanism as the > starting point. The fact that this keeps coming up is interesting. ISTM that it would be harder to electronically control such a stiff mechanism; you'd need something strong enough to counter its force to "cock" it and something to ensure it is cocked to a particular tension (strain gage or position transducer). I think I'm going to explore the air solution, next. I figure I can use a surplus oxygen tank (they come in smaller sizes for portability) so I know it will handle any sort of pressure I might apply without rupturing. I can probably fashion an inlet port and outlet valve to mate to it via the single opening available (so I don't have to pierce the vessel to allow for the introduction of pressurizing air). I'm *guessing* that a battery powered "inflator" that one might use to fill tires could achieve whatever pressure I need (?). The chamber acting as a reservoir to allow a larger volume of air to be expelled than the inflator could supply in a short interval. [The "reload time" may become an issue. But, a larger inflator -- or a real *compressor* -- should address that shortcoming] The barrel can be anything that "fits" the projectiles (likely something round so loading it doesn't require a particular orientation and facilitates "dispensing" from a "magazine"/hopper) A linear actuator to adjust the elevation of the barrel. (note the compressed air tank can be coupled to the barrel via a semi-flexible conduit so it need not be moved with the barrel) This then boils down to how repeatable a valve I can find. Calibration can then just be done empirically: set the elevation and vary the pressure -- tabulate results. Lather, rinse, repeat. Analyze data for variance. Tweek mechanism.