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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating
 itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar
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On 11/22/2024 8:41 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 11/22/24 9:07 PM, olcott wrote:
>> On 11/22/2024 7:49 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>> On 11/22/24 7:47 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>> On 11/22/2024 6:23 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>> On 11/22/24 6:56 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/22/2024 5:03 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>> On 11/22/24 5:57 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 11/22/2024 2:03 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 11/22/24 1:44 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 11/22/2024 12:37 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/22/24 1:28 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/22/2024 12:07 PM, joes wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Fri, 22 Nov 2024 10:36:25 -0600 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/22/2024 9:16 AM, joes wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Fri, 22 Nov 2024 08:50:33 -0600 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/22/2024 6:20 AM, joes wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Thu, 21 Nov 2024 15:19:43 -0600 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/21/2024 3:11 PM, joes wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Thu, 21 Nov 2024 09:19:03 -0600 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/20/2024 10:00 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/20/24 9:57 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/20/2024 5:51 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/20/24 5:03 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/20/2024 3:53 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-11-20 03:23:12 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/19/2024 4:12 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-11-18 20:42:02 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/18/2024 3:41 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The "the mapping" on the subject line is 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not correct. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subject line does not specify which mapping 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and there is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no larger context that could specify that. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Therefore it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should be "a mapping".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-11-17 18:36:17 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But it gets the wrong answer for the halting 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem, as DDD dpes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> halt.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DDD emulated by HHH does not halt.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whatever. DDD halts and HHH should return that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IT IS NOT THE SAME INSTANCE OF DDD.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All instances of DDD behave the same (if it is a pure 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> function and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the HHH called from it doesn't switch behaviour by a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> static
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> variable).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only HHH is required to be a pure function, DDD is 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expressly allowed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be any damn thing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TMs don't have side effects, such as reading a static 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Root variable.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The static root variable has not one damn thing to do with 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fact that DDD emulated by HHH cannot possibly reach its 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> own "return"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instruction.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It does. If it were always set to True, all instances of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the same HHH
>>>>>>>>>>>>> would abort and halt. Why else would it be there?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> WE HAVE NOT BEEN TALKING ABOUT ABORT/NOT ABORT
>>>>>>>>>>>> FOR THREE FREAKING MONTHS. WAKE THE F-CK UP.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT DDD EMULATED BY HHH
>>>>>>>>>>>> REACHING ITS FINAL HALT STATE
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So, does HHH abort or not abort it emulation?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Of the infinite set of every HHH that emulates N steps
>>>>>>>>>> of DDD no DDD ever reaches its final halt state.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Without including HHH in the input, at least implicitly, they 
>>>>>>>>> couldn't have done what you said, so you are admitting that the 
>>>>>>>>> actual input DDD must include the code of HHH, or you are just 
>>>>>>>>> a liar.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You are just trying to get away with changing the subject.
>>>>>>>> The question is: Can DDD emulated by any HHH possibly
>>>>>>>> reach its final halt state.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The question (in computation theory) CAN'T be that, is it isn't a 
>>>>>>> valid question, as it isn't an objective quesiton about just DDD.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In other words you are trying to get away pretending that
>>>>>> the fact that DDD defines a pathological relationship to
>>>>>> HHH can be simply ignored. How is that not stupid?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> No, but it does mean that HHH needs to CORRECTLY handle that 
>>>>> relationship, which is that it needs to understand that the HHH 
>>>>> that DDD calls will do exactly what it does.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Always lacks enough execution trace data to do
>>>> what the outermost HHH does.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Exfept that it DOES when you apply the definition of Semantic, which 
>>> means executed/emulated to completion.
>>>
>>
>> How many times are you going to insist on the stupid nitwit
>> idea of emulating a non-terminating input to completion?
>> *DDD emulated by HHH HAS NO FREAKING COMPLETION NITWIT*
>>
> 
> How many times will you just refuse to accept the DEFINITION?
> 
> And, how many times will you just ignore that the below input can not be 
> emulated past the call HHH instructioon.
> 

That is what you have been denying.

>> _DDD()
>> [00002172] 55         push ebp      ; housekeeping
>> [00002173] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping
>> [00002175] 6872210000 push 00002172 ; push DDD
>> [0000217a] e853f4ffff call 000015d2 ; call HHH(DDD)
>> [0000217f] 83c404     add esp,+04
>> [00002182] 5d         pop ebp
>> [00002183] c3         ret
>> Size in bytes:(0018) [00002183]
>>
> 
> 
> All you are doing is PROVING that you are nothing but a totally ignorant 
> pathetic pathological lying idiot that just recklessly disregards the 
> truth to maintain his lie.
> 
> The fact that you do nothing to defend against these charges is just 
> showing that you are really accepting them.
> 

When I back you into a corner making you look stupid
you simply agree with what I said like you just agreed.

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