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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating
 itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar
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On 11/23/2024 1:59 AM, Mikko wrote:
> On 2024-11-22 16:45:52 +0000, olcott said:
> 
>> On 11/22/2024 2:30 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>> On 2024-11-21 15:32:38 +0000, olcott said:
>>>
>>>> On 11/21/2024 3:12 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-11-20 22:03:43 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/20/2024 3:53 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-11-20 03:23:12 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 11/19/2024 4:12 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2024-11-18 20:42:02 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 11/18/2024 3:41 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> The "the mapping" on the subject line is not correct. The 
>>>>>>>>>>> subject line
>>>>>>>>>>> does not specify which mapping and there is no larger context 
>>>>>>>>>>> that could
>>>>>>>>>>> specify that. Therefore it should be "a mapping".
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-11-17 18:36:17 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> void DDD()
>>>>>>>>>>>> {
>>>>>>>>>>>>    HHH(DDD);
>>>>>>>>>>>>    return;
>>>>>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> _DDD()
>>>>>>>>>>>> [00002172] 55         push ebp      ; housekeeping
>>>>>>>>>>>> [00002173] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping
>>>>>>>>>>>> [00002175] 6872210000 push 00002172 ; push DDD
>>>>>>>>>>>> [0000217a] e853f4ffff call 000015d2 ; call HHH(DDD)
>>>>>>>>>>>> [0000217f] 83c404     add esp,+04
>>>>>>>>>>>> [00002182] 5d         pop ebp
>>>>>>>>>>>> [00002183] c3         ret
>>>>>>>>>>>> Size in bytes:(0018) [00002183]
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> DDD emulated by any encoding of HHH that emulates N
>>>>>>>>>>>> to infinity number of steps of DDD cannot possibly
>>>>>>>>>>>> reach its "return" instruction final halt state.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Because it cannot reach the instructions before tha return.
>>>>>>>>>>> Because it cannot reach the instruction after the HHH call.
>>>>>>>>>>> Because it cannot reach return instruction of HHH.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> This applies to every DDD emulated by any HHH no
>>>>>>>>>>>> matter the recursive depth of emulation. Thus it is
>>>>>>>>>>>> a verified fact that the input to HHH never halts.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That is too vague to be regareded true or false. It is 
>>>>>>>>>>> perfectly possibe
>>>>>>>>>>> to define two programs and call them DDD and HHH
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What a jackass. DDD and HHH have been fully specified
>>>>>>>>>> for many months.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They are specified in a way that makes your "every DDD" and 
>>>>>>>>> "any DDD"
>>>>>>>>> bad (perhaps even incorrect) use of Common language.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I specify the infinite sets with each element numbered
>>>>>>>> on the top of page 2 of my paper. Back in April of 2023
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.researchgate.net/ 
>>>>>>>> publication/369971402_Simulating_Termination_Analyzer_H_is_Not_Fooled_by_Pathological_Input_D
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You have also specifed that HHH is the program in your GitHub 
>>>>>>> repository.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Should I assume that you must be lying about
>>>>>> this because you did not quote where I did this?
>>>>>
>>>>> No, you may assume that I was confused by your lack of clarity and
>>>>> in particular by your bad choice of names.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you clearly state that HHH is not the function HHH that you have
>>>>> in your GitHub repository then I needn't to consider the possiblity
>>>>> that you just triying to deceive by equivcation.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> HHH is one concrete example of an infinite set of instances
>>>> such that DDD is emulated by HHH N times.
>>>
>>> That sentence says that there is only one HHH, contradicting your
>>> earlier statement that HHH is a generic term for every member of some
>>> set.
>>>
>>
>> You seem to be a damned liar: "infinite set of instances"
> 
> You mean you lied when you said "one concrete example"?
> 

One element of an infinite set does not say there
is no infinite set. Is says there is an infinite set.

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