Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!reader5.news.weretis.net!news.solani.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail
From: Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm>
Newsgroups: comp.lang.prolog
Subject: Recent library(misc/markup) improvement (Was: Current Work Around:
 ASCII <-> Browser Cycle)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2024 01:30:25 +0100
Message-ID: <vhts30$j9p1$1@solani.org>
References: <vhtjdo$1mdu7$1@dont-email.me> <vhtojb$j823$1@solani.org>
 <vhtpqq$1mdu7$2@dont-email.me> <vhtr72$j9ed$1@solani.org>
 <vhtrip$j9h0$1@solani.org>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Injection-Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2024 00:30:24 -0000 (UTC)
Injection-Info: solani.org;
	logging-data="632609"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@news.solani.org"
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101
 Firefox/91.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.19
Cancel-Lock: sha1:YbvTBTsHrvEC4TVu8br2QryQPmA=
X-User-ID: eJwFwQkBwDAIA0BL5UkYcoAW/xJ2B6Nwwgk6Fst2NWjlmbtQ57pK+sdOnUc0U1hFyFtWXE27tXViKwZpPzqhFT0=
In-Reply-To: <vhtrip$j9h0$1@solani.org>
Bytes: 5302
Lines: 124

Hi,

The recent version of library(misc/markup) allows
also to preview in ASCII what you would dynamically
insert into the Web Browser DOM.

But maybe I should more blog about these things.
But I am currently stuck with other problems. So
didn't have time to explain these debugging

methods in detail. But since relase 1.2.3 the
test case report generator also uses library(misc/markup).
So its already hardened more or less.

But these improvements of in library(misc/markup)
are there to support the ASCII <-> Browser Cycle.
For example you can inspect a prover HTML output in

ASCII via node.js and then go to the web, you even
don't need to change a single line of code.

Bye

Mild Shock schrieb:
> Hi,
> 
> The current work around is to first develop
> the application with an ascii interface,
> and debug it with lets say SWI-Prolog like here:
> 
> Prolog code for the tic-tac-toe game. [ASCII Console Version]
> https://www.dogelog.ch/littab/doclet/docs/15_sources/basic/example01/console.html 
> 
> 
> If you have done this cross development you
> can bring it to the web, like here:
> 
> Prolog code for the tic-tac-toe game. [Browser Version]
> https://www.dogelog.ch/littab/doclet/docs/15_sources/basic/example03/board.html 
> 
> 
> You have still all the options to debug it web-ish,
> like opening the chrome development tools, watch
> all the things there, you can also use break points
> 
> there and stop event handlers and foreign functions
> that access the web browser. So basically debugging
> of the web GUI part happens mainly via:
> 
> Chrome DevTools is a set of web developer tools built
> directly into the Google Chrome browser. DevTools lets
> you edit pages on-the-fly and diagnose problems quickly,
> which helps you build better websites, faster.
> https://developer.chrome.com/docs/devtools
> 
> Mild Shock schrieb:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Do you mean the idea to create a debugger
>> for Dogelog Player? You want to fork it and
>> then add the following:
>>
>>  > BTW, any plans to implement a library like SWI's prolog_trace?
>>  > <https://www.swi-prolog.org/pldoc/man?section=prologtrace>
>>  > I am finding that quite useful for debugging.
>>
>> I don't know whether it is allowed. The
>> typical scenario is rather to write a Tic Tac Toe,
>> and put it on the web. That is allowed by my
>>
>> license. You could also ask for money from
>> end-users when they are using the Tic Tac Toe. About
>> the debugger I am not sure, my license has a clause:
>>
>>  > Provided the programs add significant and
>>  > primary functionality. Not to be distributed
>>  > with additional software intended to
>>  > replace components.
>>
>> So Tic Tac Toe as a primary functionality is
>> of course fine. About a debugger I don't know.
>> You might get a written permission from me.
>>
>> A debugger is not included because how for
>> example should a web client application have
>> a debugger? Its not that SWI-Prologs prologtrace
>>
>> trace automatically gives a Debug Adapter Protocol
>> (DAP) that would integrate into Chrome? So for Web 2.0/3.0
>> one has to anyway rethink debugging. I did this
>>
>> rethinking already for formerly Jekejeke Prolog, and
>> might bring up some of the ideas again. But a Debug
>> Adapter Protocol (DAP) could be also prototyped with
>>
>> SWI-Prolog. Like can you have SWI Prolog server and
>> start debugging. The stance there is even not think
>> about creating a DAP, but instead to go through
>>
>> the normal terminal and the normal top-level
>> debugging commands, since SWI-Prolog includes
>> an SSH server. See here:
>>
>> Using SSH to debug services and embedded Prolog
>> https://www.swi-prolog.org/blog/sshd.md
>>
>> But for Web 2.0/3.0 I don't whether this works as well.
>>
>> Bye
>>
>> Julio Di Egidio schrieb:
>>> On 24/11/2024 00:30, Mild Shock wrote:
>>>
>>>> If you want something with a GNU license,
>>>> there is GNU Prolog:
>>>
>>> I gave my rationale and asked for yours or any plans.
>>>
>>> Anyway, thanks, I'll take that as your answer.
>>>
>>> -Julio
>>>
>>
>