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Path: ...!news.nobody.at!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!reader5.news.weretis.net!news.solani.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2024 12:06:16 +0100 Message-ID: <vhv1b8$1faro$1@solani.org> References: <vg7cp8$9jka$1@dont-email.me> <vhcp0r$hge9$6@dont-email.me> <vhd7d7$nt37$1@dont-email.me> <vhd9lq$obb0$1@dont-email.me> <vhdl0k$qltl$1@dont-email.me> <vhfqcv$1adld$1@dont-email.me> <vhfso7$1bik6$1@dont-email.me> <vhg0h8$1adlc$4@dont-email.me> <vhgd9j$1eq8t$1@dont-email.me> <vhgebm$1eu67$2@dont-email.me> <vhgfo7$1f8j9$1@dont-email.me> <vhiak4$1sjsn$2@dont-email.me> <094dadad718eaa3827ad225d54aaa45b880dd821@i2pn2.org> <vhkir2$28qt$2@dont-email.me> <3399a95e386bc5864f1cfcfc9f91f48366e0fed2@i2pn2.org> <vhlamn$7jan$3@dont-email.me> <0d551828411c0588000796fa107a16b1e23a866c@i2pn2.org> <vhprpj$15kfd$2@dont-email.me> <74bdc0f14fd0f2c6bfd9ac511a37f66b41948ac4@i2pn2.org> <vhq5ov$1793m$2@dont-email.me> <4205d073-bdac-4a54-a651-b9def098ced0@att.net> <vhsas8$1krl6$5@dont-email.me> <46baa73d-2098-4df5-a452-a746b503d8d6@att.net> <vhtesh$1rdku$2@dont-email.me> <07d42710-5af8-44e7-a873-eb2e2c9c2bf6@att.net> <vhtjar$1r2tr$5@dont-email.me> <11c85fcd-7f48-4573-ba8e-1509e7173d34@att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2024 11:06:16 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: solani.org; logging-data="1551224"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@news.solani.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:RJvl2I/lcg+WMU5qC0tVOFAAaVk= In-Reply-To: <11c85fcd-7f48-4573-ba8e-1509e7173d34@att.net> Content-Language: en-US X-User-ID: eJwFwYEBwDAEBMCVkHiMUx/2H6F3fqBgXDiur2+DQ/1em5jGUKhPI5lWn6ivzmTGSmOlbhq8nIFJPvap/QFiyRXK Bytes: 3899 Lines: 60 On 24.11.2024 06:37, Jim Burns wrote: > On 11/23/2024 5:01 PM, WM wrote: > > If there are enough hats for G natural numbers, > then there are also enough for G^G^G natural numbers. So it is. But that does not negate the fact that for every interval (0, n] the relative covering is 1/10, independent of how the hats are shifted. This cannot be remedied in the infinite limit because outside of all finite intervals (0, n] there are no further hats available. > > If there are NOT enough for G^G^G natural numbers, > then there are also NOT enough for G natural numbers. > > G precedes G^G^G. > If, for both G and G^G^G, there are NOT enough hats, > G^G^G is not first for which there are not enough. > > That generalizes to > each natural number is not.first for which > there are NOT enough hats. It seems so but the sequence 1/10, 1/10, 1/10, ... has limit 1/10 with no doubt. This dilemma is the reason why dark numbers are required. > > ---- > Consider the set of natural numbers for which > there are NOT enough hats. It is dark. > > Since it is a set of natural numbers, > there are two possibilities: > -- It could be the empty set. > -- It could be non.empty and hold a first number. Both attempts fail. That is the reason why dark numbers are required. > > Its first number, if it existed, would be > the first natural number for which > there are NOT enough hats. > > However, > the FIRST natural number for which > there are NOT enough hats > does not exist. That however does not negate the fact that for all intervals (0, n] and also for all intervals (10n, 10(n+1)] with no exception from which another load of hats could be acquired there are not enough hats to cover all n. > Therefore, > for each natural number, > there are enough hats. Then mathematics fails. I don't accept that a constant sequence has another limit than this constant. Regards, WM