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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder2.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> Newsgroups: sci.logic Subject: Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2024 20:42:17 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 46 Message-ID: <vhvviq$2bjrd$1@dont-email.me> References: <vg7cp8$9jka$1@dont-email.me> <vhc77g$hdd4$1@dont-email.me> <476ae6cb-1116-44b1-843e-4be90d594372@att.net> <vhhr6f$1q0r9$1@dont-email.me> <ffa63cb5-8898-4aa7-80eb-8b2c51c9986d@att.net> <vhkhun$28qt$1@dont-email.me> <vhmtph$j1ek$1@dont-email.me> <vhn1jk$jf6v$1@dont-email.me> <27b8de9e-a17e-4116-ab5e-1e552bea0fce@att.net> <vhnmsi$n2pc$1@dont-email.me> <6d0d8060-fb60-4da6-bcdb-adc13a6179b0@att.net> <vho171$otvf$1@dont-email.me> <93c53518-55f8-4dca-aa3c-3e79ef268963@att.net> <vhoad2$qkpu$1@dont-email.me> <af54371f-192d-4fb5-a3f7-76c3d329bffd@att.net> <vhqt4q$1b873$1@dont-email.me> <ba4f8baf-7378-403e-a837-39f5c0145a93@att.net> <vhs58b$1krl6$2@dont-email.me> <9e03d68c-ae1e-4e2f-8004-55e6f89adb98@att.net> <cbac19e1-c2fe-47d0-84ce-88000729988c@tha.de> <96af151c-285d-4161-842a-63019cac9699@att.net> <vhti1v$1r2tr$2@dont-email.me> <a7ec6cd4-3a9b-4671-8594-56586c0ce917@att.net> <vhvbs4$28n6o$2@dont-email.me> <09f8a86f-3f75-4af8-a190-0def76c1ab82@att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2024 20:42:18 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="9a8e56e6d225fc962adef1f0fe73eec4"; logging-data="2477933"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18ASiXF4e+L/JkANKnfq1PkWI4uqI4vn9Q=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:mzM8O2Gfi2fFrXGtEC0TMCgwD2c= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <09f8a86f-3f75-4af8-a190-0def76c1ab82@att.net> Bytes: 3116 On 24.11.2024 20:26, Jim Burns wrote: > On 11/24/2024 9:05 AM, WM wrote: >> On 23.11.2024 23:10, Jim Burns wrote: >>> On 11/23/2024 4:39 PM, WM wrote: >>>> On 23.11.2024 22:20, Jim Burns wrote: > >>>>> Do you (WM) object to >>>>> k ↦ k+1 : one.to.one >>>> >>>> I don't know what that waffle should mean. >>> >>> k ↦ k+1 means the successor operation. >>> >>> 'One.to.one' means that, >>> if j≠k then j+1≠k+1 >>> different numbers have different successors. >>> >>> I am claiming that >>> different numbers have different successors. >> >> Ok. > > "Ok, I understand you" > or > "Ok, different numbers have different successors" > ? Yes. > What we mean by > |E(k)| ≤ |E(k+1)| > is that > there is a one.to.one function > from E(k) to E(k+1) > The successor operation, for example. What I mean is the fact that ∀k ∈ ℕ: |E(k+1)| = |E(k)| - 1 whereas Cantor's ℵo is a very unsharp measure. > > So, there is. > So, |E(k)| ≤ |E(k+1)| isn't wrong. Cantor's nonsense has many faces. It i not suitable for serious maths. Regards, WM