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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder2.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> Newsgroups: sci.logic Subject: Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2024 11:09:23 +0200 Organization: - Lines: 54 Message-ID: <vi4383$3csd4$2@dont-email.me> References: <vg7cp8$9jka$1@dont-email.me> <vgvm6h$1k8co$1@dont-email.me> <vgvmvr$1kc5f$1@dont-email.me> <vh1vlb$25kic$1@dont-email.me> <vh2j89$29gco$1@dont-email.me> <vh4f7p$2o5hn$1@dont-email.me> <vh4job$2ov2c$1@dont-email.me> <vh78jp$3cbq7$1@dont-email.me> <vh7d5c$3cpaf$1@dont-email.me> <5b8de1bc-9f6c-4dde-a7cd-9e22e8ce19d9@att.net> <vhata3$59e5$2@dont-email.me> <31419fde-62b3-46f3-89f6-a48f1fe82bc0@att.net> <vhc77g$hdd4$1@dont-email.me> <476ae6cb-1116-44b1-843e-4be90d594372@att.net> <vhhr6f$1q0r9$1@dont-email.me> <ffa63cb5-8898-4aa7-80eb-8b2c51c9986d@att.net> <vhkhun$28qt$1@dont-email.me> <vhmtph$j1ek$1@dont-email.me> <vhn1jk$jf6v$1@dont-email.me> <vhn3po$jvo1$1@dont-email.me> <vhn420$jf6v$3@dont-email.me> <vhpg51$13soc$1@dont-email.me> <vhpnrb$15239$1@dont-email.me> <vhs2gn$1kjtc$1@dont-email.me> <vhs4ue$1ku9t$1@dont-email.me> <vhv6or$280s6$1@dont-email.me> <vhvbjb$28n6o$1@dont-email.me> <vi1dbj$2moon$1@dont-email.me> <vi224l$2pgrd$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2024 10:09:24 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="90b0f1fe450f9fe7289bc867aea96252"; logging-data="3568036"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+dge92GR7oQFFf+sPflz7u" User-Agent: Unison/2.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:P8Tn3FLSUjCPwyZv27LsQHHmnBs= Bytes: 3953 On 2024-11-25 14:38:13 +0000, WM said: > On 25.11.2024 09:43, Mikko wrote: >> On 2024-11-24 14:01:15 +0000, WM said: >> >>> On 24.11.2024 13:38, Mikko wrote: >>>> On 2024-11-23 08:49:18 +0000, WM said: >>>> >>>>>>> It is relevant by three reasons: >>>>>>> 1) The limit of the sequence f(n) of relative coverings in (0, n] is >>>>>>> 1/10, not 1. Therefore the relative covering 1 would contradict >>>>>>> analysis. >>>>>>> 2) Since for all intervals (0, n] the relative covering is 1/10, the >>>>>>> additional blackies must be taken from the nowhere. >>>>>>> 3) Since a shifted blacky leaves a white unit interval where it has >>>>>>> left, the white must remain such that the whole real axis can never >>>>>>> become black. >>>>>> >>>>>> You say that it is relevant but you don't show how that is relevant >>>>>> to the fact that there is no real number between the intervals (n/2, n/2+1) >>>>>> that is not a part of at least one of those intervals. >>>>> >>>>> Because that has nothing to do with the topic under discussion. See >>>>> points 1, 2, and 3. They are to be discussed. >>>> >>>> The subject line specifies that the discussion should be about Cantor's >>>> enumeration of the rational numbers. >>>> >>>> OP specifies that the discussion shall be baout the sequence of >>>> itnrevals >>> >>> That is a mistake. Should read: >>> [q_n - ε*sqrt(2)/2^n, q_n + ε*sqrt(2)/2^n]. >> >> OK but the following applies to that, too: >> >>>> The 1, 2, and 3 above are not relevant to the topic sepcified by the >>>> subject line and OP. >> >>> My last example contradicts a simpler bijection, namely that between >>> all natural numbers and all natural numbers divisible by 10: Let every >>> unit interval on the real axis after a number 10n carry a black hat. >>> Then it should be possible to cover all intervals with black hats. >> >> What does "contradicts" in "contradicts a simpler bijection"? > > The simple example contradicts a bijection between the two sets > described above. What does "contradicts a bijection" mean? -- Mikko