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Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> Newsgroups: sci.logic Subject: Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2024 13:46:20 +0200 Organization: - Lines: 37 Message-ID: <vi9l6c$h8b2$1@dont-email.me> References: <vg7cp8$9jka$1@dont-email.me> <0e67005f-120e-4b3b-a4d2-ec4bbc1c5662@att.net> <vga5mb$st52$1@dont-email.me> <vga7qi$talf$1@dont-email.me> <b7c91a30-bc53-487c-a395-daf023dbb78c@tha.de> <vhmu26$j2uq$1@dont-email.me> <vhn39o$jf6v$2@dont-email.me> <vhn3un$k16b$1@dont-email.me> <vho19u$n2pd$1@dont-email.me> <vhpgo0$13vfn$1@dont-email.me> <vhpoil$15239$2@dont-email.me> <vhv7qa$2861j$1@dont-email.me> <vhvckq$28kec$1@dont-email.me> <vi1r9i$2p4um$1@dont-email.me> <vi1vle$2pjuo$2@dont-email.me> <vi435p$3csd4$1@dont-email.me> <vi4a1q$3dt4s$1@dont-email.me> <vi6q4i$3uutp$1@dont-email.me> <vi6urn$3v0dn$6@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2024 12:46:25 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="fe38bbfd9b8edf8f312d42e748d84d06"; logging-data="565602"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/SZtEaWMFPDEc3dx7h9azQ" User-Agent: Unison/2.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:wX4lmZv9axYn9ROzR3b5hKbo3Cs= On 2024-11-27 11:12:54 +0000, WM said: > On 27.11.2024 10:52, Mikko wrote: >> On 2024-11-26 11:05:30 +0000, WM said: >> >>> On 26.11.2024 10:08, Mikko wrote: >>>> On 2024-11-25 13:55:57 +0000, WM said: >>> >>>>> But before touching a rational it will touch an irrational. >>>> >>>> Of course as the starting point is outside of all the intervals and >>>> every rational is in some of the intervals and therefore must be >>>> irrational. But when it has moved to another point it has already >>>> moved over both infinitely many irrationals >>> >>> This is true in every case. The intermediate numbers cannot be >>> discerned. They are dark. This is so in fact between every pair of >>> discernible real numbers: There are infinitely many dark numbers >>> between them. >> >> Some of the intermediate numbers can be expressed with a finite string. > > But most cannot. > >> In particular, every rational number can. > > No. For every unit fraction there exist infinitely many smaller unit > fractions, infinitely many of which cannot be expressed. They remain > simply to be smaller. The number 0 can be expressed with a finite string. The successor of an expresssible number can be expressed. The ratio of two expressible numbers can be expressed. Nothing else is a rational number. -- Mikko