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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- CORRECTION Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2024 12:32:12 -0600 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 84 Message-ID: <viacvc$lars$1@dont-email.me> References: <vhdd32$oq0l$1@dont-email.me> <vhpffl$13p8e$1@dont-email.me> <vhqcg0$18k1i$1@dont-email.me> <vhs21l$1kglp$1@dont-email.me> <vhsncn$1nu6d$1@dont-email.me> <17dd1e646a0cd01f94d9505a9be90fd3925add12@i2pn2.org> <vhsri7$1ojus$1@dont-email.me> <5945fb90e23e2b78a90da47de02bd8e6d8c3ec4d@i2pn2.org> <vht1c8$1pgbs$1@dont-email.me> <8c25d20279cfad6662137025897575068e10fe39@i2pn2.org> <vhvdac$28qs1$2@dont-email.me> <7ccf1daed71803939ed9acc5dc0f436e46bbfba2@i2pn2.org> <vi3hj5$3ad5d$1@dont-email.me> <d69b59d8743dd2713e16ca41604ff30b4741b82d@i2pn2.org> <GcudnQRbD7HyPNv6nZ2dnZfqlJ-dnZ2d@giganews.com> <vi72fe$dbk$1@dont-email.me> <vi76pj$106j$2@dont-email.me> <db87472521a4e553e992c6933a235dec24fb002f@i2pn2.org> <vi8g7t$85ij$1@dont-email.me> <ee397fde844b6e8f2266885eb1b657ad4da768f8@i2pn2.org> <via50f$ju6v$1@dont-email.me> <349430b1223591beb2ebea42b5f3a9e64ea8d795@i2pn2.org> <via6qe$ju6v$5@dont-email.me> <bfdb21e0849ab7859f5877b192b7367a09989b3a@i2pn2.org> <viabq7$l05e$3@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2024 19:32:13 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="3e0dc11180449ab61a5121380b7b63f6"; logging-data="699260"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+bKCLU9f84aczZxW5A7cIu" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:KOyg3xasFa1oG8PCSosGkkj+6Jo= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <viabq7$l05e$3@dont-email.me> X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 241128-4, 11/28/2024), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Bytes: 5914 On 11/28/2024 12:12 PM, olcott wrote: > On 11/28/2024 11:09 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >> On 11/28/24 11:47 AM, olcott wrote: >>> On 11/28/2024 10:27 AM, joes wrote: >>>> Am Thu, 28 Nov 2024 10:16:15 -0600 schrieb olcott: >>>>> On 11/28/2024 4:04 AM, joes wrote: >>>>>> Am Wed, 27 Nov 2024 19:15:41 -0600 schrieb olcott: >>>>>>> On 11/27/2024 8:03 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>> On 11/27/24 8:28 AM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 11/27/2024 6:14 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>>>> olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On 11/26/2024 7:02 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/25/24 11:08 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/24/2024 11:18 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/24/24 9:30 AM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/23/2024 11:54 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/23/24 11:54 AM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/23/2024 9:35 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/23/24 10:15 AM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/23/2024 9:02 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/23/24 9:04 AM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/23/2024 1:59 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-11-22 16:45:52 +0000, olcott said: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/22/2024 2:30 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-11-21 15:32:38 +0000, olcott said: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/21/2024 3:12 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-11-20 22:03:43 +0000, olcott said: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/20/2024 3:53 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-11-20 03:23:12 +0000, olcott said: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/19/2024 4:12 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-11-18 20:42:02 +0000, olcott said: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/18/2024 3:41 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-11-17 18:36:17 +0000, olcott said: >>>>>> >>>>>>> When DDD is emulated by HHH and DDD calls HHH(DDD) this call never >>>>>>> returns. >>>>>> That's weird. Why can't HHH simulate itself? >>>>> I have already told you and conclusively proven that HHH does emulate >>>>> itself emulating DDD. I have told you this dozens of times and my code >>>>> continues to prove this. >>> >>>> I don't get it. HHH clearly halts in order to return a value. But that >>>> value is "doesn't halt". Why does HHH, which does only a partial >>>> simulation, report that itself (called by DDD) doesn't halt? >>>> >>> >>> https://github.com/plolcott/x86utm >>> You just may not have the required software engineering >>> skill to get it. If you did then you could just carefully >>> study the code and see. >>> >>> >> >> WHich just proves you are nothing by a liar, as HHH doesn't meet your >> requirements, so everything base on it is just a lie. > > It DOES meet my requirements. > It may not meet your intentionally dishonest > twisting of my precise words. > > The input to every HHH cannot possibly reach its > own final halt state thus each HHH that rejects > this input as non halting is necessarily correct. > _DDD() [00002172] 55 push ebp ; housekeeping [00002173] 8bec mov ebp,esp ; housekeeping [00002175] 6872210000 push 00002172 ; push DDD [0000217a] e853f4ffff call 000015d2 ; call HHH(DDD) [0000217f] 83c404 add esp,+04 [00002182] 5d pop ebp [00002183] c3 ret Size in bytes:(0018) [00002183] The DDD input to every emulating termination analyzer HHH cannot possibly reach its own "ret" instruction final halt state thus each HHH that rejects this input as non halting is necessarily correct. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer