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From: Cursitor Doom <cd999666@notformail.com>
Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design
Subject: Re: Datasheet-flation?
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2024 23:11:50 -0000 (UTC)
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On Thu, 28 Nov 2024 07:22:01 -0800, john larkin wrote:

> On Thu, 28 Nov 2024 10:36:08 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
> 
>>Cursitor Doom <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 26 Nov 2024 22:27:12 +0000, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
>>> 
>>> > john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:
>>> > 
>>> >> On Tue, 26 Nov 2024 07:51:04 +0000,
>>> >> liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
>>> >> 
>>> >> >Cursitor Doom <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> On Mon, 25 Nov 2024 10:21:56 +0000, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
>>> >> >> 
>>> >> >> > Cursitor Doom <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
>>> >> >> > 
>>> >> >> >> On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 18:22:22 +0000, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
>>> >> >> >> 
>>> >> >> >> > Cursitor Doom <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
>>> >> >> >> > 
>>> >> >> >> > [...]
>>> >> >> >> >> the English and American "billion" was harmonised many
>>> >> >> >> >> years ago at one thousand million so there's no confusion.
>>> >> >> >> > 
>>> >> >> >> > Can you give a reference for that?  I haven't found one.
>>> >> >> >> 
>>> >> >> >> Try this:
>>> >> >> >> https://www.thenakedscientists.com/articles/questions/why-
are-uk-
>>> and-
>>> >> >> >> american-billions-different
>>> >> >> > 
>>> >> >> > It just repeats the myth but doesn't give a reference.
>>> >> >> 
>>> >> >> It's not a myth. UK and US billions have been harmonized at
>>> >> >> 1,000,000,000 for as long as I can remember now. As I recall, it
>>> >> >> was just done simply via adoption rather than any Act of
>>> >> >> Parliament or Statutory Instrument. IIRC, I think the pressure
>>> >> >> to do so came from the finance industry.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Do you have a reference that isn't just heresay?
>>> >> 
>>> >> You can go to BBC.com and search for stories with "billions". They
>>> >> obviously mean 1e9.
>>> > 
>>> > That is not evidence that the two have been harmonised, it just
>>> > shows that BBC journalists have adopted American terminology.
>>> > 
>>> > To harmonise two systems requires formal discussion, decision and
>>> > documentation and neither you nor I have found any evidence of that.
>>> 
>>> Fine believe whatever delusions you want to believe but it doesn't
>>> change the fact that a UK billion today is one thousand million.
>>> Period.
>>
>>You have still produced no no proof for your original assertion that the
>>UK billion has been harmonised with the US billion, which was the point
>>in question.  Common misusage does not alter the facts.

I'm not obliged to provide you with *anything*. The fact that I informed 
you what a billion is today was a courtesy extended to you by my infinite 
patience as a decent human being.

>>Gas is not stored in Gasometers.
>>UK pylons do not carry a current of 132,000 volts.
>>The "Morse Code" was not invented by Morse.
>>
>>...the fact that most people, including journalists at the BBC, get it
>>wrong doesn't make it right..
> 
> Who gets to decide "right"?
> 
> If I carry a check into a British bank and it says "one billion pounds",
> how much will they pay me?

Nothing. You'll bankrupt it. :-)