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From: Jos Boersema <Josjoha@market.socialism.nl>
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Subject: Israel is mindlessly copying over the corruption of the past.
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title: Beware of false messiahs!
source: Rabbi Nir Menussi
link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtVS1DsHB5Q

Someone wrote a reply to my earlier comment on this video about Ba'al
Shem Tov, to which again was given below reply on the usual topics of
the lies of the Rabbis ...

  Quote original comment:

I also smell something faul in a book, found something faul although it
wasn't that I smelled it, but I was shocked when I found it. Shocked. It
wasn't in the Tanach. It wasn't the beautiful Torah either. It was
the Shulchan Aruch, it was on paragraph 180 and 66 if I recall, called
prozbul and heter iska.
(...)


  Quote reaction: 

[someone]
Listen up, I'm not going into an argument with a whole bunch of nonsense
that I've got no time, patience reading, all I can tell you is, that
the "whole torah" starting from 613 mentioned in the torah, till "the
last law in the oral" " where all given to moshe who gave it over to
yehoshua & so on throughout all the rabbis of the generation, if you've
got a specific question about a certain halacha, that's what we're here,
to " understand" the torah, but simply to ridicule, disregard our oral
tradition, because "it smells foul to your nose" that doesn't disprove
anything about our traditions, sorry.


  Reply to this again: 

Listen to yourself: You don't want to read the argument, and then you
claim there was no argument. This is the behavior of Israel.

Blind belief in tradition without argument, without even wanting to
engage in any argument. Where do we know this from ? Rome. This is
Roman culture. Everything was about the past. Justice was spoken based
on Jurisprudence. Families who had been in power before where kept in
power, because everything was about the past, the tradition. The western
idolator system is also all about the 'tradition'. There is no other
logic to it. We do it, because it is the way we did it before. Of course
sometimes things do change, but besides such events, a heavy emphasis
is on doing things in a way they have already been done before. Yuo
don't have reasons, you don't engage arguments, you just pontificate
that Judaism is correct, because that was what your parents did.

You claim that what I write was "nonsense". While in the same breath
saying that you don't want to read it. Check yourself, and your rude
and troll like behavior. Do you think such behavior is allowed in a
court case, for example ? The judge is not going to hear the case from
one side, because _"he has no time or patience reading"_ and because of
that he has decided that what he didn't read is nonsense, based on the
first sentence, which was just hooking into the video. It is the video
which keeps claiming this Ba'al Shem Tov just smelled something bad,
and that is supposed to be good enough as proof that something was
wrong. No arguments given. I just hooked into that for a moment. Then
I already pointed out the lies: prozbul and heter iska.

Prozbul and heter iska are phony Jewish law, which obviously ruins the
Torah on those topics. You can look them up, I even gave you the source
page in the Shulchan Aruch. These treasons are so bad, just mentioning
their name should be enough for you to admit the truth. The prozbul
makes the Court approve a certain loan as if it is a coart verdict,
and therefore supposedly the loan can be executed on the borrower even
after the 7th year, under the ridiculous idea that the loan is now a
court decision and court decisions do not nullify in the 7th year. The
court is now a group of criminals, participating with law breakers in
their criminal activities under Torah law.

The heter iska is similar nonsense. These lies have been made up by:
prozbul Hillel the Elder, and heter iska by Maimonides / Rambam. Nothing
to do with Moshe Rabbeinu. The Oral Tradition is the Big Lie of the
Rabbis, who are apparently upset that they don't have the Sovereignty
to make law. Hence, they just claimed that they do, without any sort of
credible argument. They fake that without their _oral tradition_ nobody
would know what the Torah means, which means that they are equating their
fake traditions with the language itself. It is a lie. You do need to
know the language to read something (or read a good translation, which
is never 100% the same but it can be quite close), but you do not need
their fake oral tradition, which is obviously wrong and also obviously
does not come from Moshe Rabbeinu, such as on mentioned issues.

Then we have a possibly even greater lie which the Rabbis are peddling:
Rambam Shemita 10:8, where they pretend that the Jubilee being proclaimed
to all the inhabitants in the land, now means that all of Israel needs
to be in the land for the Jubilee to be proclaimed, and then they make
it even worse by pretending Israel needs to be in the land, sorted by
tribe. This supposedly because ancient Israel fell into corruption when
2 tribes left, by no longer following the Jubilee. Here again we see this
obsession with the corruption and lies of their forefathers. They don't go
back to earlier, to Moshe Rabbeinu, but they follow corrupions from later,
and without thinking. How else is land ownership to be dealt with in the
Torah, than by the Jubilee ? It says: proclaim it to all the inhabitants,
that's all. People need to know it is on, so they can demand their rights
to be honored, even if corrupt Rabbis are in power, who may need to be
overthrown and done away with if they keep destroying the Torah and
ruining Israel, as they have done. The land is a right in the Torah,
and this is essential in an economy. Markets in land are a disaster,
all the land will be owned by the few, and the people will become their
servants, and then their slaves and not long after, the whole thing is
likely to collapse from anger and strife. The rich get richer, the poor
get poorer, until it all goes to hell.

The second holocaust is coming. 7 times worse than the Nazis, because
Israel did not do Teshuvah for following Hillel and Rambam even after
World War 2. The Nazis killed a third to half of all the Jewish people,
or so I have read. Usually a third is given for the holocaust. If you take
7 times a third out of a whole, you end up with 95% dead. One in nineteen
will survive, which works out to a bit more than half a million. Curiously
close to 600 000 in fact, a number mentioned in the Torah.

You made your choices Israel, with your hard and rebellious neck,
blind to any Torah or truth, willfully rejecting the laws HKB'H
gave you. Incidentally it may already be the year 6005 now, because
Israel stayed 430 years in Egypt, and not 210 as the Rabbis say, again
overthrowing the Torah with that. If you correct this, you get that Corona
Lockdown year was exactly the year 6 000. We also live in a time where
life is increasingly without heavy labor, due to the technologies. We seem
to already be in the 7th Millenium from Adam. Still, Israel refuses to
come back to the truth. The consequences will be disastrous, for everyone.

  * End reply.

I could write another 20 pages about the economics of it all, but the
youtube text box won't post it, and -as we can see- people don't even want
to read past half a sentence anyway. This is a whole lot more serious
than just me ridiculing someone, or not giving the correct answers in
both ways: the Torah (which they call a 'religion' now), and also the
arguments in a secular way (which tends to be about the economics of it;
not the incorrect fantasies of the gentiles - so to say -which they
call Capitalism or Communism, or whatever they are after these days;
but fundamental economics about market value coming from work done
(effort) and *raw land* itself not being a product of effort, and thus
not functioning normally in a market; you have to learn it to understand
it, and perhaps slowly but surely you will start to realize how serious
and fundamental this all is, also informed by history and what happened
when this was followed and was not followed, and some other issues such
as the need to be free to start in the economy or that raw land is the
beginning of all work ... etc).

But alas, Israel prefers to be against the Torah and the truth. They
apparently want to activate the curses section in the Torah, still a
rebel people even though the year 6 000 may already be in the past (!).
Rebels against the Torah, rebels against the truth, a pontificating
people who does not want to even hear an argument at all, but are so
sure they are rigth no matter what, because that was what their fathers
did, and so all the way back to the generation which started to fall
into a certain corruption and unfortunately defeated the ones who stood
for the truth.

Oh that didn't happen ? No there is no corruption in Israel ? Then why
is there an exile, hmmm ? The Tanach is not full of the corruption of
Israel, distorting and ruining the Torah ? This is the whole story, it
is a story or rebellion versus loyalty to the truth. The roughies versus
the heroes, the mindless versus the wise, the greedy versus the caring.
Before it all even started with Moshe Rabbeinu, they already rejected
him. Right from the get go, when Moshe Rabbeinu killed the Egyptian
guard(s), they went against him already, and later as well, multiple
times. Then later they went against the prophets, and even tortured some
of them to death. 

It was not all bad, however. There where also the good, the moments of
loyalty and truth. They did go and listen to the Torah, and they agreed
to it. They followed many orders which Moshe Rabbeinu was given from
HKB'H (so the story goes), risked their lives many times in war. Set up
courts, and copied the Torah dilligently, which is a serious work they
have done. All this between the raging gentiles, some of which where
full out into human and child murder ('sacrifice' they call it),
ritualized routine human murder of innocent victims. Gentiles who
believed all kinds of absolute madness, to an extend it almost doesn't
exist anymore, also thanks to Israel and her loyalty to the Torah, to
the truth, to caring for other people.

Israel is a great Nation.

Nevertheless, Israel needs to stop with certain corruptions, because
what is happening is not good enough, also if not especially for Israel
herself. She needs the truth, perhaps more than anyone else, to be free
and to live, to be happy, to have a future. Therefore the lies of the
Rabbis need to be overthrown and exposed, so that Israel can truly be
that: Israel, the first born to Justice, the slave rebellion which
became the foundation of the world, the Lamp of the Nations, the example
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