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ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) wrote or quoted:
>understand the expression "Vielen Dank!" we can't analyze
>it further. It's opaque to us.

  The "vielen" feels as if the formally singular "Dank" is taken
  "semantically" to be a plural.

|Sie würden vielen Dank verdienen, wenn Sie uns eine solche
|Geschichte vortrügen
Goethe

|("You would deserve many thanks if you told us such a story")

|2. Ohne vorangehenden Artikel u. ä. werden "viel" und "wenig"
|häufig flexionslos gebraucht. Im Singular gilt folgendes:
|
|(Im Nominativ Maskulinum nur ohne Endung:) Wo viel Licht ist, da
|ist viel Schatten (Sprichwort). Dazu gehört wenig Mut. 
|
|(Im Akkusativ Maskulinum meist flexionslos:) Ich habe
|viel/wenig Kummer in meinem Leben gehabt. (Aber nur:) Vielen Dank!
|
Grammatik

|("2. without a preceding article etc., "viel" and "wenig" are
|often used without inflection. In the singular, the following
|applies:
|
|[In the nominative masculine only without ending:] Where there
|is much light, there is viel shadow [proverb]. This requires
|wenig courage. 
|
|[In the accusative masculine, usually without inflection:] I have
|had viel/wenig sorrows in my life. [But only:] Vielen Dank!")
|
Grammar Book