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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android,comp.os.linux.advocacy Subject: Re: Joel won't, so I will (was Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2024 07:02:47 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 39 Message-ID: <vieut7$1msjk$2@dont-email.me> References: <vi7mbj$3tkm$1@dont-email.me> <gnrekjdbac5fsgkbqjtu2ku6grmskcruhj@4ax.com> <vi7ruv$3tkm$2@dont-email.me> <vi7st4$3slt$3@dont-email.me> <27vekjtp4q263gmgdo83cqar5048tujlj4@4ax.com> <vi82qu$3slt$4@dont-email.me> <jp4fkjpsiqkt1aij7to6svq9dudsij2p1r@4ax.com> <viaov1$nh0h$2@dont-email.me> <071ikjds6op23p9b1vk6lg4l5379t7mv9l@4ax.com> <vib1e0$ouvk$1@dont-email.me> <rm3ikjdrk2c6m5ia2mcj32qrf2odp92dua@4ax.com> <vibb80$s01m$1@dont-email.me> <vicute$12qd5$2@dont-email.me> <j0gkkj1r7k5eqimh79o7vcc7sc4abro18j@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2024 13:02:47 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="361ce6d249197a758a02bf3a8fab292b"; logging-data="1798772"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19KcvH55xS8y7G3FBvufFjxb4g29Vl2Bto=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:4p6luhKkwj+cSdI0fEfobbWyHCY= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <j0gkkj1r7k5eqimh79o7vcc7sc4abro18j@4ax.com> Bytes: 3354 On 11/29/24 5:29 PM, Joel wrote: > -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote: > >> Joel is 'faster = better' until it comes to even faster systems >> than what he owns ... at which point he flips his story to "overpriced". > > > If you compare Apple hardware from the same time I bought my parts, > it'd be about the same speeds. I already have. Sorry, but they're not. I've already posted that your CPU is slower. Ditto your SSD too. RAM hasn't been fully checked out, but architecturally its not on-chip and out on a bus, so its invariably slower too. For the first one, your motherboard allows one generation of CPU upgrade (from Gen 10 to 11); I'd figure that a Rocket Lake i7 such as the 11700 would probably provide parity; looks like $218 at Amazon. For the second one, this is why I noted about RAID0'ing your boot drive, as that's what it requires pre-PCI 5. For you, it needs a second NVMe module; +$100. But since your motherboard's open NVMe slot's PCI 3, not PCI 4, this strategy still won't provide adequate gain for parity vs the Studio. But it would be roughly on par to the old 2020 Mini, so I'd give this one to you if you stop trying to compare to the Studio. For the third one, you'd have to replace the motherboard for a faster RAM bus architecture, so no luck for you there for anything cheap. TL;DR: your options to get to parity with Apple hardware of that time means that you need to invest another $300 at today's prices, which put your total spent to date at ~$1450 (that we know of), and it looks like it would still fall short in the third hardware metric. But it is about as good as you can expect to do with the starting point your 'expert' chose for you. -hh