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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: Keeping other stuff with addresses (was: What is an N-bit machine?) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2024 22:06:37 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 26 Message-ID: <vig29d$1v4ll$1@dont-email.me> References: <memo.20241128153105.12904U@jgd.cix.co.uk> <20241128185548.000031c9@yahoo.com> <vidtpt$pon$1@gal.iecc.com> <2024Nov30.072829@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <2024Nov30.123536@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <vieuks$1n5ve$1@dont-email.me> <2024Nov30.175756@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <20241130193206.00005c49@yahoo.com> <2024Nov30.190858@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> Injection-Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2024 23:06:38 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="81469ca4013351a5e92a8310f28f6161"; logging-data="2069173"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+YszIZHvYkOXbonsilDEjZjSh7Ke9DrwI=" User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (Linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:B6UcFNynDw7uReEnMiW24Ylf+PE= Bytes: 2285 Anton Ertl <anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> schrieb: > Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> writes: >>On Sat, 30 Nov 2024 16:57:56 GMT >>anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) wrote: >> >>> Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> writes: >>> >Anton Ertl <anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> schrieb: >>> >> anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) writes: >>> >>>John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> writes: >>> >>>>These days I'd say the relevant N is the size of arithmetic >>> >>>>registers but a lot of marketers appear to disagree with me. > ... >>John Levine said "arythmetic". Not logic, not move, not swizzle, not >>load/store. The widest arythmetic on Intel/AMD is 64 bits for inputs and >>128 bits for output (integer multiplication). > > The widest arithmetic registers on AMD64 with AVX-512 are the ZMM > registers with 512 bits each. Can you do a 512-bit addition with it natively? > Sure, they are used for arithmetic on a > sequence of individually narrower data, but the registers have 512 > bits nonetheless. So, more of a 64-bit system.