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From: Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
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Subject: Re: New fusion power system test creates 300,000 degrees C plasma
Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2024 21:31:44 +1100
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On 1/12/2024 6:00 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> On a sunny day (Sun, 1 Dec 2024 14:13:55 +1100) it happened Bill Sloman
> <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <vigk9v$22pt7$3@dont-email.me>:
> 
>> On 1/12/2024 12:45 am, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>> On a sunny day (Sun, 1 Dec 2024 00:12:31 +1100) it happened Bill Sloman
>>> <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <vif30a$1o4ji$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>
>>>> On 30/11/2024 10:11 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>>>> On a sunny day (Sat, 30 Nov 2024 21:02:25 +1100) it happened Bill Sloman
>>>>> <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <vienrs$1l2a8$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 30/11/2024 5:37 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>>>>>> On a sunny day (Sat, 30 Nov 2024 14:12:42 +1100) it happened Bill Sloman
>>>>>>> <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <vidvrl$1d62d$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>>>>>> On 30/11/2024 2:27 am, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On a sunny day (Sat, 30 Nov 2024 01:15:15 +1100) it happened Bill Slowman
>>>>>>>>> <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <vici9s$13umg$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 30/11/2024 12:00 am, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>>>> Well, we have global warming in case humans fail.
>>>>
>>>> It's anthropogenic global warming. If we stop digging up fossil carbon
>>>> and burning it, that extra warmth will go away eventually - but it is
>>>> likely to take a few centuries.
>>>>
>>>>> Or we can dig deep enough into the ground for some heat.
>>>>> But the question remains if you CAN make break even - get positive energy out
>>>>>     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_fusion
>>>>> endless babble about Albert E...
>>>>>
>>>>> But, my solar panels work great!
>>>>
>>>> But they rely on that big fusion reactor hanging there in the middle of
>>>> the solar system. It's been there for about 4.5 billion years. Nobody
>>>> realised that it was nuclear fusion reactor until quite recently, and
>>>> the message still doesn't seem to have got through to you.
>>>
>>> Oh well, and the sun will burn up eventually or so I'v read.
>>> Not so much is known about the inner nuclear workings of the sun.
>>
>> Quite a lot is known, if not by you.
>>
>>> Is the fusion part caused by enormous pressures from the rest of the sun?
>>
>> It's temperature rather than  pressure that makes the difference.
>>
>>> It does not have to be break even or positive at all.
>>
>> Of course it has to. Gravitational compression created the pressure and
>> the heat that eventually started the nuclear reaction. It takes about
>> 100,000 years for a photon from the reacting core of the sum to make it
>> out to emerge as sunlight.
>>
>>> I will not even mention Le Sage (oops) and possible other theories
>>> dark matter, what not.
>>
>> That's a relief. You mostly ventilate your idiocies non-stop.
>>>
>>> Would be nice if we could look ahead a few thousand years to see the theories then.
>>
>> Not really. We wouldn't understand them.
>>
>>> If humanity still exists, Dinos ?
>>
>> Most species last about 10 million years. We might completely wreck the
>> earth and kill ourselves off in the process, but we've survived several
>> ice-age to interglacial transitions.
>>
>>> We are just like ants, a few neurons wanting - looking for - a theory of everything.
>>
>> Just a bit bigger than ants, with rather more technology.
>>
>>> And yet, everything is connected...
>>
>> Another one of your mindless assertions.
>>
>>> There is nothing you can know that is not known:
>>>    https://www.thebeatles.com/all-you-need-love-0
>>
>> There is plenty you can "know" that isn't known to other people.
>>
>> You produce more nonsense than most, and most of what you think you know
>> strikes other people as largely unoriginal nonsense.
>>
>> "It does not have to be break even or positive at all."
> 
> Well since you have not designed build and published even a picture of something as simple as a flashlight here
> logic suggest possible jealousy or 'grootheidswaanzin'

You haven't been paying attention, or perhaps you can't plug the text 
version of an LTSpice .asc file into LTSpice.

> But then so did Einstein, he never did an experiment in his life and his only design was a bad Fridge.

It was a perfectly okay fridge, for some unusual applications. 
Theoreticians don't do experiments, and the Pauli Effect suggests that 
they stop experiments from working. Wolfgang Pauli and Pqul Dirac didn't 
do any experiments either, and that didn't stop them from being almost 
as famous as Einstein.

> Him being youwish made him their hero, god almost, as he wrote that letter to suggest committing genocide on Japanese civilians with nukes.


Don't be silly. His letter - with Leo Silzard - to Roosevelt didn't have 
anything to say about using the atom bomb. It just pointed out that such 
a bomb was possible, and that Germany might be working on it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einstein%E2%80%93Szilard_letter

> His squared lightbulb masses are the biggest obstacle to science advancing as are global warming witch hunts.

In  your demented opinion.

> Look at fusion like a spring
> A srping can be compressed and drive a clock or a toy car
> But it never will power anything by itself.
> There will always be a net loss between compression and using it to do something.
> Table top will confirm that (Farnsworth Fusor).

Looking up during the day confirms something rather different.

> ITER has confirmed that, but misguided politicians keep falling for the einstein brainwashed,
> pooring in ever more money for no result at all.. EVER.

ITER hasn't done anything yet. The Joint European Torus in England 
worked well enough to demonstrate that ITER was worth doing.

> ITER will always ask for bigger and more.

It seems the most likely outcome. We wouldn't have invested in it if it 
wasn't. Of course if they found a reason why a bigger torus won't 
actually deliver the goods, they would report that too. That's why 
people do scientific experiments.

> Sure some suppliers of magnets and what not now make a living from your tax money there..

Not my tax money. I live in Australia and pay my taxes to the Australian 
government

> At the same time US agents like Germany's Merkel killed the real power generating nuclear plants.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_nuclear_accident

> Human species... decline, dark ages repeating itself, dummies produced by the millions
> zero understanding mamaticians doing a divide by zero, multiple uni-verses (do they sing there).

Evolution does produce a lot more duds than successes. You seem to be 
one of them.

<snip>

-- 
Bill Sloman, Sydney