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From: The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com>
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Subject: Re: Ian Levine's Doctor Who Group Poll on the Timeless Child...
Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2024 15:47:57 -0000 (UTC)
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On 29/11/2024 13:54, doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca wrote:
>In article <viccl8$135rs$1@dont-email.me>,
>The Last Doctor  <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote:
>>On 29/11/2024 00:44, doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca wrote:
>>>In article <viankq$mil7$6@dont-email.me>,
>>>The True Doctor  <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
>>>>On 28/11/2024 13:58, Blueshirt wrote:
>>>>> The Doctor wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> In article <vi8df0$7rgb$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>> The True Doctor  <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There's no new Doctor Who being made. There hasn't been
>>>>>>> since 2017. The Timeless Child monster killed the entire
>>>>>>> franchise. If the BBC wants to start making money again then
>>>>>>> the Timeless Child monster must be kept out of Doctor Who
>>>>>>> and the series must be revived from where it ended in The
>>>>>>> Doctor Falls.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Looks like the fanbase wants the Timeless Child retconned!
>>>>> 
>>>>> 512 people, the fanbase? !!!
>>>>> 
>>>>
>>>>That's typically the number of people survayed for an average election 
>>>>opinion poll so it would be deemed representative of fandom within a 
>>>>margin of error of about 3%.
>>>
>>>Thank you!
>>
>>No, that's not the way polling works. This was a poll of about 6,100 people
>> (the membership of Ian's closed group) - 90% of whom didn't see it, didn't
>> care, or didn't want to engage with Dave (this was Dave's poll, not one he
>> just came across). In a real poll, they would continue to poll others till
>> they got enough answers.
>>
>>Secondly, demographic selection matters. The Ian Levine group is a tiny set
>> of enormously conservative old-school fans. It is bound to lean into haters
>> of all modern Who quite strongly.
>>
>>So, within this hidebound community, the real  result of this poll is 
>>
>>No response. 5,600 (91.8%)
>>Yes,��it destroys Doctor Who. 311 (5.0%)
>>No, it is now part of the lore. 129 (2.1%)
>>I've never seen it, so I don't care. 22 (0.4%)
>>Don't waste screen time. Just ignore it. 48 (0.7%)
>>
>>It's a self selecting group of fellow travellers, and still only 3 in 5 of
>> them agree with Dave.
>>
>>Run your poll in an open group, Dave, where younger fans might hang out. And
>> put more nuanced options in - it's not a yes/no kind of issue.
>>
>
>Gikve me a group.
>
I've posted a poll in Doctor Who Infinity Dave, which with 90,000 members is
 15 times the size of Levine's playpen, allows a much wider range of
 opinions and has a much broader spread of fandom. You'd better go and vote,
 your preferred option is NOT winning there - and I must admit, I'm
 astonished by the level of support the Timeless Child has there. I thought
 it would be quite a bit lower.

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