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Le 30/11/24 à 01:59, D a écrit :
> On Thu, 28 Nov 2024 21:19:08 +0100, Laika <nestorlambda@not-for-mail.invalid> wrote:


>> it was the number of messages in the archive of one server, for each
>> fido-group (only the first ones was listed, as you can see chatgpt has
>> drunk).
> 
> just curious... the popular "blueworldhosting" server currently shows
> over twenty-four thousand (24,712) articles in news:fido7.ru.military


There is 1 year less on i2pn2, but much more on csiph (since 2015), all 
readable, especially in Russian, archives in Arabic. Often, an nntp 
server offers a long list of message titles but their content is 
inaccessible, the sysop decides, nntp sysops are rarely reliable or 
trade in binaries, the best free servers have closed. That's why fido 
could be reborn ...

Is fido moderated? Sometimes. This moderator is omnipresent: Approved: 
gateway@fido7.ru

How to access? Fortunately, gogle-groups this parasite has been stopped, 
there are still gateways apparently (there are quite a few remailed 
messages, see the encapsulated-remailing method). Russia and Crimea seem 
to have hosts, you would have to find a recent fidonet directory then 
the phone number of the BBS or its DNS address. fido7.f400.link ?

https://bbs.fandom.com/wiki/FidoNet#FidoNet_availability
https://www.fidonet.org
They say: Use telnet for fidonet. It's a good idea, but BBSs allow you 
to bypass the internet.

More info in the active groups and their FAQs, everything is in Russian 
(google-translate doesn't like it). The West has disowned fido, for 
convenience.

fido7.f400.link increments a counter in the routing over time, new 
nodes? There would be 334 (where?), it's plausible.

Fido has its nomenclature xzone.xxxcounty.xxxnode.xxxxpoint plus 
remailers, no need for DNS since it originally went through BBSs 
(telephone). You can even go through amateur radio.

Some explanations and political information on fido7.ru.anarchy

Hello!




Il y a 1 an de moins sur i2pn2, mais beaucoup plus sur csiph (depuis 
2015), tous lisibles, surtout en russe, des archives en arabe. Souvent, 
un serveur nntp propose une longue liste de titres de messages mais leur 
contenu est inaccessibles, le sysop décide, les sysops nntp sont 
rarement fiables ou font le commerce des binaires, les meilleurs 
serveurs libres ont fermé. C'est pour ça que fido pourrait renaître ...

Fido est-il modéré ? Parfois. Ce modérateur est omniprésent:  Approved: 
gateway@fido7.ru

Comment accéder ? Il y a heureusement eu l'arrêt de gogle-groups ce 
parasite, il reste des passerelles visiblement (il y a pas mal de 
messages remailés, voir la méthode à encapsuled-remailing). La russie et 
la crimée semblent posséder des hosts, il faudrait trouver un annuaire 
fidonet récent puis le numéro de téléphone du BBS ou son adresse DNS. 
fido7.f400.link ?

https://bbs.fandom.com/wiki/FidoNet#FidoNet_availability
https://www.fidonet.org
Ils disent: Utiliser telnet pour fidonet. C'est une bonne piste, mais 
les BBS permettent de ne pas passer par internet.

Plus d'infos dans les groupes actifs et leurs faqs, tout est en russe 
(google-translate n'aime pas ça). L'occident a renié fido, par facilité.

fido7.f400.link incrémente un compteur dans le routage au fil du temps, 
des nouveaux nodes ? Il y en aurait 334 (où ?), c'est plausible.

Fido a sa nomenclature xzone.xxxcounty.xxxnode.xxxxpoint plus les 
remailers, pas forcément besoin de DNS puisqu'à l'origine ça passait par 
les BBS (téléphone). On peut même passer par radio-amateur.

Quelques explications et des infos politiques sur fido7.ru.anarchy

Hello!

> 
> however, the oldest article for this newsgroup (fido7.ru.military) on
> the server (news.blueworldhosting.com) is dated 2022/03/22 ~three and
> one-half years old, which suggests "fidonet.org" approved articles to
> this popular moderated newsgroup expire before the server's longevity
> of about twenty-one (21) years, as is evident for enduring newsgroups
> 
> i've had very good luck with russian freeware (e.g. https://aimp.ru/)
> and websites, but i have no experience with fidonet (only usenet, and
> formerly with bbs) . . . because it's moderated, is it like political,
> or just common interests in all things military without east vs. west?

Russia censors websites that offer VPN downloads, I don't know anything 
about the rest, but I see remailing, approvals maiby needed for 
remailing, and a few groups that have survived for reasons I don't know 
(technical means, confidentiality?).

La russie censure les sites web qui proposent de télécharger des vpn, je 
ne sais rien du reste, mais je constate du remailing, des approval, et 
quelques groupes qui ont survécu pour des raisons que j'ignore (moyens 
techniques, confidentialité ?).
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