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From: Cursitor Doom <cd999666@notformail.com>
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Subject: Re: Datasheet-flation?
Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2024 18:03:27 -0000 (UTC)
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On Fri, 29 Nov 2024 07:23:34 -0800, john larkin wrote:

> On Fri, 29 Nov 2024 08:56:17 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
> 
>>Cursitor Doom <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 28 Nov 2024 07:22:01 -0800, john larkin wrote:
>>> 
>>> > On Thu, 28 Nov 2024 10:36:08 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
>>> > (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
>>> > 
>>> >>Cursitor Doom <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> On Tue, 26 Nov 2024 22:27:12 +0000, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
>>> >>> 
>>> >>> > john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:
>>> >>> > 
>>> >>> >> On Tue, 26 Nov 2024 07:51:04 +0000,
>>> >>> >> liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
>>> >>> >> 
>>> >>> >> >Cursitor Doom <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
>>> >>> >> >
>>> >>> >> >> On Mon, 25 Nov 2024 10:21:56 +0000, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
>>> >>> >> >> 
>>> >>> >> >> > Cursitor Doom <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
>>> >>> >> >> > 
>>> >>> >> >> >> On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 18:22:22 +0000, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
>>> >>> >> >> >> 
>>> >>> >> >> >> > Cursitor Doom <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
>>> >>> >> >> >> > 
>>> >>> >> >> >> > [...]
>>> >>> >> >> >> >> the English and American "billion" was harmonised many
>>> >>> >> >> >> >> years ago at one thousand million so there's no
>>> >>> >> >> >> >> confusion.
>>> >>> >> >> >> > 
>>> >>> >> >> >> > Can you give a reference for that?  I haven't found
>>> >>> >> >> >> > one.
>>> >>> >> >> >> 
>>> >>> >> >> >> Try this:
>>> >>> >> >> >> https://www.thenakedscientists.com/articles/questions/
why-
>>> are-uk-
>>> >>> and-
>>> >>> >> >> >> american-billions-different
>>> >>> >> >> > 
>>> >>> >> >> > It just repeats the myth but doesn't give a reference.
>>> >>> >> >> 
>>> >>> >> >> It's not a myth. UK and US billions have been harmonized at
>>> >>> >> >> 1,000,000,000 for as long as I can remember now. As I
>>> >>> >> >> recall, it was just done simply via adoption rather than any
>>> >>> >> >> Act of Parliament or Statutory Instrument. IIRC, I think the
>>> >>> >> >> pressure to do so came from the finance industry.
>>> >>> >> >
>>> >>> >> >Do you have a reference that isn't just heresay?
>>> >>> >> 
>>> >>> >> You can go to BBC.com and search for stories with "billions".
>>> >>> >> They obviously mean 1e9.
>>> >>> > 
>>> >>> > That is not evidence that the two have been harmonised, it just
>>> >>> > shows that BBC journalists have adopted American terminology.
>>> >>> > 
>>> >>> > To harmonise two systems requires formal discussion, decision
>>> >>> > and documentation and neither you nor I have found any evidence
>>> >>> > of that.
>>> >>> 
>>> >>> Fine believe whatever delusions you want to believe but it doesn't
>>> >>> change the fact that a UK billion today is one thousand million.
>>> >>> Period.
>>> >>
>>> >>You have still produced no no proof for your original assertion that
>>> >>the UK billion has been harmonised with the US billion, which was
>>> >>the point in question.  Common misusage does not alter the facts.
>>> 
>>> I'm not obliged to provide you with *anything*. The fact that I
>>> informed you what a billion is today was a courtesy extended to you by
>>> my infinite patience as a decent human being.
>>
>>Making a statement does not place you under any absolute obligation to
>>back it up with facts - but a failure to do so lays you open to the
>>suspicion that the statement was false.
> 
> Gosh, how can he live with the shame?

I'll manage. :) OTOH, "Liz" has exhibited extraordinary obtusity IRO this 
very simple matter and will have to live with THAT stain on "her" 
reputation.