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From: The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM>
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Subject: Re: Ian Levine's Doctor Who Group Poll on the Timeless Child...
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On 02/12/2024 13:23, Blueshirt wrote:
> The True Doctor wrote:
> 
>> On 01/12/2024 23:00, Blueshirt wrote:
>>> The True Doctor wrote:
>>>
>>>> You are the one who started referring to the FAKE NEWS
>>>> claim that Disney+ paid $200,000,000 for Doctor Whoke.
>>>> There is no evidence whatsoever for such a deal.
>>>
>>> You've got the wrong man. I never claimed any such thing.
>>> That is either a bare faced lie or you have made a genuine
>>> mistake. I do not use figures like that as I doubt the
>>> BBC/Disney deal would have been for anywhere near that
>>> amount.
>>>
>>> Please provide a message ID to one of my posts where I have
>>> claimed the Disney deal was worth $200m to the BBC... or any
>>> figure actually. I certainly can not recall ever having done
>>> so, as $200m seems way over the top... a long way over the
>>> top!
>>>
>>> I have told you twice in previous posts that I did not
>>> mention any figure. Can you read? Do you disbelieve
>>> absolutely everything people tell you?
>>>
>>> You should know how to find a message ID, so please go
>>> ahead...  and then you can apologise for telling such a
>>> confounded lie and reply to the right person!
>>
>> You stated, (Message-ID: <xn0otxqa55li8rk004@post.eweka.nl>)
>> "At a guess, Disney put a lot more $ in to The Acolyte and
>> didn't expect the return they got! They wouldn't have spent
>> half as much for the Doctor Who streaming rights."
> 
> So where have I stated Disney paid $200m to the BBC? What you
> have posted does not back up your argument one bit, as I said
> they WOULDN'T have spent half as much. Which in English means,
> nowehere near the amount they [reportedly] spent on the Acolyte.
> 

In English half as much means 50%. Not spending half as much usually 
implies spending something in the region of about 40% instead.

> I am assuming that as an educated person you know what the word
> wouldn't means!

Wouldn't spend half as much implies something less than 50% and more 
than nothing and usually nearer the higher end than the lower, otherwise 
a person would say I wouldn't spend a third or a quarter of what they 
are spending if they meant something lower since those are the next 
lowest fractions in the sequence.

So the figure you were actually claiming automatically quantified the 
upper bound as 1/2 and the lower bound as 1/3 by exclusion of anything 
lower. If you take the mid point ie. (1/2 + 1/3)/2 = (5/6)/2 = 5/12 you 
get approximately 42%.

If Disney+ are spending 250 million of the first season of the Wokolyte 
as claimed by the FAKE NEWS and 100 million on the first season of 
Doctor Whoke, also as claimed by the FAKE NEWS, then that's around 40% 
((100/250) * 100) of the budget of the Wokolyte.

> 
> But of course, you don't admit you got something wrong or
> apologise for saying I said something that I clearly didn't. We
> all make mistakes but I know what I typed. You just get carried
> away and then double-down.

You went along with the FAKE NEWS narrative. You are allowed to admit 
that the FAKE NEWS deceived you just like they do everyone.

> 
> NOT ONCE have I used any figure, the only person using the $200m
> figure in this thread is you! But you then went and moved the
> goal posts, like you do, and switched the argument around.

I've not moved any goal posts. The FAKE NEWS claimed Disney spent $250 
million on one season of the Wokolyte and $100 million on one season of 
Doctor Whoke. You went along with that narrative by implying the same 
ratio between shows. Not spending half as much implies spending around 40%.

> 
>> This ultimately derives from the false narrative made up by
>> the FAKE NEWS which claims Disney spent $250 million on the
>> Wokolyte for one season and $200 million for the rights to
>> Doctor Whoke for 2 seasons, so they spent less than half as
>> much on Doctor Whoke as they spent on the Wokolyte. Either way
>> what they spent on one season of Doctor Whoke is barely 1/20th
>> of what they spent on the Whokolyte going by the production
>> values for each series, which proves the FAKE NEWS are making
>> it all up.
> 
> BUT I NEVER CLAIMED DISNEY SPENT ANYTHING ON ANYTHING. I do not

You claimed Disney spent around 40% on Doctor Whoke as they did on The 
Wokolyte.

> use figures that come from YouTube videos. Which is why I am
> always telling YOU not to believe what you see on a YouTube
> channel. THAT is where you are getting your fake news from.
> 

The figures come from the FAKE NEWS not YouTube. YouTuber's are merely 
repeating them.

-- 
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw

"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it 
stands for." -William Shatner