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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating
 itself emulating DDD
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On 11/28/2024 1:48 PM, joes wrote:
> Am Thu, 28 Nov 2024 11:35:16 -0600 schrieb olcott:
>> On 11/28/2024 11:32 AM, joes wrote:
>>> Am Thu, 28 Nov 2024 11:07:16 -0600 schrieb olcott:
>>>> On 11/28/2024 10:51 AM, joes wrote:
>>>>> Am Thu, 28 Nov 2024 10:47:10 -0600 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>> On 11/28/2024 10:27 AM, joes wrote:
>>>>>>> Am Thu, 28 Nov 2024 10:16:15 -0600 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>>>> On 11/28/2024 4:04 AM, joes wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Am Wed, 27 Nov 2024 19:15:41 -0600 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>>>>>> On 11/27/2024 8:03 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/27/24 8:28 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/27/2024 6:14 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/26/2024 7:02 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/25/24 11:08 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/24/2024 11:18 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/24/24 9:30 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/23/2024 11:54 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/23/24 11:54 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/23/2024 9:35 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/23/24 10:15 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/23/2024 9:02 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/23/24 9:04 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/23/2024 1:59 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-11-22 16:45:52 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/22/2024 2:30 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-11-21 15:32:38 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/21/2024 3:12 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-11-20 22:03:43 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/20/2024 3:53 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-11-20 03:23:12 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/19/2024 4:12 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-11-18 20:42:02 +0000, olcott
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> said:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/18/2024 3:41 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-11-17 18:36:17 +0000, olcott
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> said:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> When DDD is emulated by HHH and DDD calls HHH(DDD) this call
>>>>>>>>>> never returns.
>>>>>>>>> That's weird. Why can't HHH simulate itself?
>>>>>>>> I have already told you and conclusively proven that HHH does
>>>>>>>> emulate itself emulating DDD. I have told you this dozens of times
>>>>>>>> and my code continues to prove this.
>>>>>>> I don't get it. HHH clearly halts in order to return a value. But
>>>>>>> that value is "doesn't halt". Why does HHH, which does only a
>>>>>>> partial simulation, report that itself (called by DDD) doesn't
>>>>>>> halt?
>>>>>> https://github.com/plolcott/x86utm You just may not have the
>>>>>> required software engineering skill to get it. If you did then you
>>>>>> could just carefully study the code and see.
>>>>> That's what I mean. I can see the code, but the code is wrong.
>>>> The code does do what it does do.
>>> Yes, the wrong thing.
>>>
>>>>> If HHH halts at all, it needs to return that HHH halts.
>>>> DDD emulated by any HHH cannot possibly halt.
>>>> You can fail to understand that, you can lie about that, it remains
>>>> immutably a verified fact none-the-less.

>>> Yes, HHH can't simulate itself.

>> The code proves that HHH does emulate itself emulating DDD why lie?

> The code proves that HHH aborts.
> 

You said:
 >>> HHH can't simulate itself.

That is WRONG !!!
HHH DOES EMULATE ITSELF PROVING THAT IT CAN EMULATE ITSELF.

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