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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.quux.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2024 21:23:26 -0600 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 62 Message-ID: <viltje$3ncur$2@dont-email.me> References: <vhdd32$oq0l$1@dont-email.me> <vhvdac$28qs1$2@dont-email.me> <7ccf1daed71803939ed9acc5dc0f436e46bbfba2@i2pn2.org> <vi3hj5$3ad5d$1@dont-email.me> <d69b59d8743dd2713e16ca41604ff30b4741b82d@i2pn2.org> <GcudnQRbD7HyPNv6nZ2dnZfqlJ-dnZ2d@giganews.com> <vi72fe$dbk$1@dont-email.me> <vi76pj$106j$2@dont-email.me> <db87472521a4e553e992c6933a235dec24fb002f@i2pn2.org> <vi8g7t$85ij$1@dont-email.me> <e50997c1bbf6f693cef6cdc491d37d45f1514021@i2pn2.org> <vi9fu5$g8di$1@dont-email.me> <823171f50b9026448aaeeb432f823b08d28ba457@i2pn2.org> <via0kb$in1f$1@dont-email.me> <e4908c1f897f550a507878a2d6979d8c874e9e6e@i2pn2.org> <via6jr$ju6v$4@dont-email.me> <10fc124f5fedce9b386b01276e3495cd2f8f5cb8@i2pn2.org> <viaau3$l05e$1@dont-email.me> <d8ba9d736f495798c05e3b28acba4b5481fad05a@i2pn2.org> <vilrda$3n1ap$1@dont-email.me> <7fc5a3f699ef10de36a78e60450b9986c2387291@i2pn2.org> <vilt0l$3ncur$1@dont-email.me> <28fe7a26e4c493cfb4d6dbac8b10ecb3f6c674e6@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2024 04:23:27 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="2c10405a61f3132f31fd64699a1fb8f9"; logging-data="3912667"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX185OWCMr9FvPaQBNRQZ0UL4" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:cO7YDwjFed303/CQh/3+P6Z7nxo= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <28fe7a26e4c493cfb4d6dbac8b10ecb3f6c674e6@i2pn2.org> X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 241202-6, 12/2/2024), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Bytes: 4326 On 12/2/2024 9:18 PM, Richard Damon wrote: > On 12/2/24 10:13 PM, olcott wrote: >> On 12/2/2024 9:00 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>> On 12/2/24 9:46 PM, olcott wrote: >>>> On 11/28/2024 1:48 PM, joes wrote: >>>>> Am Thu, 28 Nov 2024 11:57:23 -0600 schrieb olcott: >>>>>> On 11/28/2024 11:06 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>> On 11/28/24 11:43 AM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>> On 11/28/2024 9:47 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 11/28/24 10:01 AM, olcott wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>>> DDD emulated by any HHH cannot possibly reach its "ret" instruction >>>>>>>> final halt state. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But that DDD CAN'T be emulated more than 4 instructions by ANY pure >>>>>>> function, as you can't emulate past the call HHH instruction. >>>>>>> >>>>>> You just aren't paying any attention at all or are woefully >>>>>> inaccurate >>>>>> in your word choice. HHH1 does emulate all of DDD. >>>>>> HHH1 <is> a pure function. >>>>> Strawman. We are talking about HHH. >>>>> >>>> >>>> HHH1 has identical source-code to HHH the only difference >>>> is that DDD does not call HHH at all, thus does not call >>>> HHH in recursive emulation. >>>> >>>> *You said* >>>> DDD CAN'T be emulated more than 4 instructions by >>>> ANY pure function... >>>> >>>> Sure it can! It can be emulated by pure function HHH1 >>>> >>>> It HHH1 an element of the set of pure functions? >>>> YES IT IS THUS YOU ARE WRONG !!! >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> Nope, becuase if HHH1 looks at the machine code of HHH, which wasn't >>> part of its input, it isn.t a pure function, BY DEFINITION. >>> >> >> How the Hell do you think that you can get away with >> saying that HHH is not part of the input to HHH1? >> > > Because you have defined that the input is JUST the x86 machine code of > DDD. > I never said anything like that Dumbledore. If I ever said anything like that then I would have never said that HHH emulates itself emulating DDD. *DDD emulated by HHH NEVER HALTS* (wit of a nit). -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer