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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: =?UTF-8?Q?Arne_Vajh=C3=B8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk> Newsgroups: comp.os.vms Subject: Re: VMWARE/ESXi Linux Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2024 09:42:42 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 37 Message-ID: <vin5d1$3sjr$3@dont-email.me> References: <vi84pm$6ct6$4@dont-email.me> <memo.20241127222417.12904R@jgd.cix.co.uk> <vi8fbt$829b$2@dont-email.me> <slrnvkgb2b.2dr8a.mwilson@daenerys.home.mattwilson.org> <vilsop$2qc5u$1@paganini.bofh.team> <vin4s8$3sjr$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2024 15:42:41 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="f0368240d8cf72bb652abadb078e8c43"; logging-data="127611"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18DF4od/VHj6/KqMW97/0D5PJ15e/BBcNk=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:MQEB4uOWcV28t6y4a0pkTCiQIC4= In-Reply-To: <vin4s8$3sjr$1@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 2898 On 12/3/2024 9:33 AM, Arne Vajhøj wrote: > On 12/2/2024 10:09 PM, Waldek Hebisch wrote: >> Matthew R. Wilson <mwilson@mattwilson.org> wrote: >>> KVM is largely dependent on qemu to provide the rest of the actual >>> virtual system. qemu's a great project and I run a ton of desktop VMs >>> with qemu+KVM, but it just doesn't have the level of maturity or >>> edge-case support that ESXi does. Pretty much any x86 operating system, >>> historical or current, _just works_ in ESXi. With qemu+KVM, you're >>> going to have good success with the "big name" OSes...Windows, Linux, >>> the major BSDs, etc., but you're going to be fighting with quirks and >>> problems if you're trying, say, old OS/2 releases. That's not relevant >>> for most people looking for virtualization solutions, and the problems >>> aren't always insurmountable, but you're claiming that KVM is a "better" >>> solution, whereas in my experience, in reality, ESXi is the better >>> technology. >> >> What you wrote is now very atypical use: faithfully implementing >> all quirks of real devices. More typical case is guest which >> knows that it is running on a hypervisor and uses virtual >> interface with no real counterpart. For this quality of >> virtual interfaces matters. I do not know how ESXi compares >> to KVM, but I know that "equivalent" but different virtual >> interfaces in qemu+KVM may have markedly different performance. > > Are you talking about paravirtual drivers? > > To get back to VMS then I don't think VMS got any of those. Hmm. Not correct. Reading 9.2-3 installation notes: <quote> Also, two para-virtualized NICs, virtio for KVM, and VMXNET 3 for ESXi. </quote> Arne