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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: =?UTF-8?Q?Arne_Vajh=C3=B8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk> Newsgroups: comp.os.vms Subject: Re: VMWARE/ESXi Linux Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2024 11:51:01 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 43 Message-ID: <vinctl$3sjq$1@dont-email.me> References: <vi84pm$6ct6$4@dont-email.me> <vin68p$3sjr$4@dont-email.me> <vin8h4$ntd$1@reader2.panix.com> <vina48$3sjr$6@dont-email.me> <vinahh$598$1@reader2.panix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2024 17:51:01 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="f0368240d8cf72bb652abadb078e8c43"; logging-data="127610"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18QSsOwYMC8ynu72b/UJcYpDWf1TOq4rS8=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:EfKYdNGvFcTOp6gQOQBqqrb/cOk= In-Reply-To: <vinahh$598$1@reader2.panix.com> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 2637 On 12/3/2024 11:10 AM, Dan Cross wrote: > In article <vina48$3sjr$6@dont-email.me>, > Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote: >> On 12/3/2024 10:36 AM, Dan Cross wrote: >>> In article <vin68p$3sjr$4@dont-email.me>, >>> Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote: >>>> KVM runs in Linux not on Linux. Which makes it type 1. >>> >>> Nope. KVM is dependent on Linux at this point. The claim that >>> it is a type-1 hypervisor is predicated on the idea that it was >>> separable from Linux, but I don't think anyone believes that >>> anymore. >> >> It is the opposite. KVM is type 1 not because it is separable >>from Linux but because it is inseparable from Linux. > > Kinda. The claim is that KVM turns Linux+KVM into a type-1 > hypervisor; that is, the entire combination becomes a the HV. > That's sort of a silly distinction, though, since the real > differentiator, defined by Goldberg, is whether or not the VMM > makes use of existing system services, which KVM very much does. ESXi is basic OS functionality and virtualization services in a single kernel. Linux+KVM is basic OS functionality and virtualization services in a single kernel. They are logical working the same way. The differences are not in how they work, but in history and reusability in other contexts: * Linux existed before KVM * Linux has more functionality so it can be and is used without KVM But type 1 vs type 2 should depend on how it works not on history and reusability in other contexts. Arne