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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!news.szaf.org!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com> Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Covid pandemic came from a lab leak? Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2024 11:35:09 -0600 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 77 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: <viq3se$10ou4$1@dont-email.me> Reply-To: rokimoto557@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="156"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:B2ltE8RcQBQAf7AUW8O1gw7YapU= Return-Path: <news@eternal-september.org> X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id 97AEB229782; Wed, 04 Dec 2024 12:35:20 -0500 (EST) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 27340229765 for <talk-origins@ediacara.org>; Wed, 04 Dec 2024 12:35:17 -0500 (EST) by pi-dach.dorfdsl.de (8.18.1/8.18.1/Debian-6~bpo12+1) with ESMTPS id 4B4HZDqv1585529 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT) for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Wed, 4 Dec 2024 18:35:14 +0100 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.eternal-september.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BA7445F8F5 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Wed, 4 Dec 2024 17:35:11 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: name/BA7445F8F5; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=gmail.com id 53983DC01A9; Wed, 4 Dec 2024 18:35:11 +0100 (CET) X-Injection-Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2024 18:35:11 +0100 (CET) Content-Language: en-US X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX18j3NMd+KH1lS3dFUCWCrXXIhMOpgcLZcc= FREEMAIL_FORGED_REPLYTO,FREEMAIL_REPLYTO_END_DIGIT, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED, USER_IN_WELCOMELIST,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 smtp.eternal-september.org Bytes: 6683 https://www.science.org/content/article/house-panel-concludes-covid-19-pandemic-came-lab-leak A partisan report (Republicans) concludes that the Covid 19 pandemic was caused by a lab leak. This conclusion likely is not true, mainly because the Wuhan lab was not working with corona virus closely related to Covid-19. The sequence would not have been available to recombine the virus that has parts most closely related to virus that has subsequently been isolated from bats, but it does have sequences from other sources. It is some type of recombinant virus, but the mixing likely occurred in some coinfected animals. QUOTE: The World Health Organization “caved” to the Chinese Communist Party and allowed it to conceal the severity of the pandemic. Masking and vaccine mandates, school closures, and lockdowns were of questionable value, and U.S. public health officials put forth conflicting, opaque messaging on those issues and more. Operation Warp Speed, launched by then-President Donald Trump to develop COVID-19 vaccines in record time, was a success and a model for future pandemics. But the report also criticized the U.S. Food and Drug Administration for pressuring its senior scientists to accelerate full approval of one of the vaccines. END QUOTE: There was a lot of denial about the severity of the pandemic. The Chinese responded as everyone else should have, and contained the infection in China. China's main problem was that everyone else did not do the right thing and China kept getting reinfected resulting in their current Covid issue that seems to be about the same as everyone else at this time. It looks like the report doesn't contain much about Trump's denial and lies about the covid pandemic, and the lack of a national policy to deal with the pandemic. Masking, school closures, and lockdowns were of questionable value in most cases because there wasn't a national policy, and they were haphazardly implemented. It didn't matter what your state implemented if a neighboring state didn't do it so the infected just kept increasing in both states. They note that the vaccine was a success, but they don't mention Trumps stupid denial and lies about the pandemic that interfered with the implementation of things like masking and school closures, and even resulted in the antivaccination issues that resulted in thousands of unnecessary deaths. At one time the unvaccinated were dying of covid at 10 times the rate of the vaccinated, and the unvaccinated were likely the cause of many of the infections that the vaccinated suffered. There has never been a highly protective corona virus vaccine created. Corona virus evade our immune system pretty effectively. It is one of the viruses associated with the common cold, and it just keeps infecting people over and over. We do not seem to mount an effective immune response against the virus. What the vaccine did was only decrease your chance of infection it attenuated the symptoms if you did get infected, so you were less likely to die of the disease. Trump screwed that all up, and the unvaccinated kept the virus at a high concentration in the environment, so that everyone was more likely to get infected. Masking was not effectively sold to the population. The greatest benefit of masking was that it decreased the amount of airborne virus in the environment. The homemade cloth masks and paper surgical masks were nearly worthless for keeping you from being infected, but they did decrease the virus in the environment if the infected wore them. The sick and the asymptomatic shedders that did not wear a mask were most likely to be those that infected others. It was still true of KN95 masks that became popular. They were most effective in reducing virus in the environment. If you were in an enclosed room with someone shedding virus for more than 40 minutes, you would still be likely infected by that person even if you were wearing a KN95 mask. Those masks did not have a tight seal. They needed to make it clear that the infected should wear a mask, and since you had asymptomatic shedders, everyone needed to wear a mask. Ron Okimoto