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From: Ernest Major <{$to$}@meden.demon.co.uk>
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Subject: Re: Top three reasons for optimism about the ID scam
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2024 21:24:48 +0000
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On 04/12/2024 19:05, Vincent Maycock wrote:
>> They should never have been on it in the first place as there was
>> nothing heretical about them
> Except that the Bible says the earth does not move.

The Bible also says that the earth is flat.

The Catholic Church recognised that the Bible includes idiom, metaphor, 
poetry and allegory, inter alia. Augustine, an early Church Father, 
recognised that empirical data trumped Biblical interpretation, and 
advised Christians not to bring the faith into disrepute by adopting 
positions (such as flat earth) that were obvious nonsense.

When I looked into the subject I found that the Catholic Church was 
rather more literalist than I had expected. There is a presumption of 
literalism in the absence of contrary data. I have read that Galileo had 
a theological dispute with the Church - he argued that the Church should 
not give hostages to fortune by unnecessarily nailing its mast to 
interpretations that might be overturned by later discoveries.

-- 
alias Ernest Major