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From: Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net>
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Subject: Re: Todays rant
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2024 10:37:56 -0500
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On 12/5/2024 10:03 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 12/5/2024 5:35 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>> On Thu, 05 Dec 2024 16:36:56 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 05 Dec 2024 03:42:24 -0500, Catrike Ryder
>>> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 05 Dec 2024 10:18:01 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 04 Dec 2024 10:09:39 -0500, Catrike Ryder
>>>>> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 04 Dec 2024 21:45:52 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 04 Dec 2024 08:50:21 -0500, Catrike Ryder
>>>>>>> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 04 Dec 2024 18:56:41 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 04 Dec 2024 04:05:42 -0500, Catrike Ryder
>>>>>>>>> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 3 Dec 2024 23:45:12 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/3/2024 8:12 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 3 Dec 2024 11:04:27 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/3/2024 6:22 AM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You might ant to look at https://www.worldometers.info/ 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coronavirus/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it used numbers per population and is no longer updated. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Details on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> site.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Example
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> World cases - 90,413 per 1 million
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> U.S.A. cases    - 333,985
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> World deaths - 889.4 per 1 million population
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> U.S.A. deaths - 3642
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Data means nothing to those whose world view is dominated 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> by their
>>>>>>>>>>>>> political views.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "That site could be biased!!! It's probably run by 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Socialists!!!"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Statistics can show anything they want them to show!!!"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "How do we know those were COVID deaths? Those Americans 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> could have died
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of anything!!!  ... Oh, but the U.S. medical system is 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> _still_ the best
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the world!!!"
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And life expectance is number 48 (both sexes) in a list of 
>>>>>>>>>>>> the world's
>>>>>>>>>>>> countries
>>>>>>>>>>>>    https://www.worldometers.info/demographics/life-expectancy/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Our tricycle rider is going to get mad at you for giving 
>>>>>>>>>>> links he
>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't like.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No, this tricycle rider understands that there are many 
>>>>>>>>>> reasons other
>>>>>>>>>> than health care for life expectancy to be lower in the USA, 
>>>>>>>>>> drugs,
>>>>>>>>>> crime, poor eating, and other bad habits (getting fat) being 
>>>>>>>>>> some of
>>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> USAians eat processed food with chemicals that color, 
>>>>>>>>>> preserve, and
>>>>>>>>>> enhance taste are in a lot of the food on grocery shelves in 
>>>>>>>>>> the USA,
>>>>>>>>>> but not in many other countries.  Hopefully, RFK jr is going 
>>>>>>>>>> to work
>>>>>>>>>> on that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Err... you mean like putting salt on pork to preserve it?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No, but they already limit the amount of ratshit in your 
>>>>>>>> cheerioes, so
>>>>>>>> why not limit the amount of chemicals?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't know about the breakfast cereal. I haven't eaten that 
>>>>>>> since I
>>>>>>> was in my teens
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Same here. I've eat Quaker instant oatmeal most mornings. No
>>>>>> artificial crap. They now have one with less sugar, so I go with that
>>>>>> one. Occasionally, I make omelets, and once or twice a week we go out
>>>>>> for breakfast... where I usually, I get an omelet.  I like omelets.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Try
>>>>> https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/chemical-found-in-cheerios- 
>>>>> quaker-oats-other-oat-based-foods-linked-potential-health-issues-study
>>>>> A pesticide linked to reproductive and developmental issues in animals
>>>>> was found in oat-based foods sold in the U.S., including under major
>>>>> brand names like Cheerios and Quaker Oats.....
>>>>
>>>> ..there are many such issues. In the cited case manufacturers claim
>>>> that their product meets government (EPA) requirements. I wouldn't
>>>> trust the EPA any more than I trust the people ( Environmental Working
>>>> Group (EWG)) who did the study. The EWG recieves it funding from
>>>> organic food manufacturers, so I'm not inclined to trust them.
>>>
>>>
>>> Well,, as you don't trust this mob and you don't trust that mob, then
>>> who do you trust? Some wild eyed bloke on the Internet?
>>
>> I trust the people I believe to be trustworthy. That would be some,
>> not all of my relatives, and some, not all of the people I know. I do
>> not trust the following blokes unless I know them and believe them to
>> be trustworthy; blokes on the internet, blokes who do studies, and
>> blokes in the government, or blokes who run for government positions.
>>
>> -- 
>> C'est bon
>> Soloman
> 
> 
> As Bobby Jindal put it 'When I got to Washington I was stunned by the 
> widespread corruption. I saw it as a cesspool. After three terms, it 
> started to look more like  a hot tub, so I left.'
> 
> [paraphrase: didn't find exact original]
> 
> And that's a Congressman who at least has some accountability.  What's 
> it like for a guy writing FDA reports (often utter fiction) and counting 
> the days to early retirement when he can go work for the guy who pushed 
> the 'research'?

IOW: "Nothing can be known. All is mystery. Ommmmmm..."

Some of the oh-so-independent-minded folks posting here claim total 
skepticism of anything emanating from the government, including all 
scientific or economic data. But it seems to me that's often just a way 
to maintain cherished beliefs despite all evidence.

"COVID was no worse than a seasonal flu."

"Sadaam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction ready to attack the U.S."

"The stock market tanked during the Obama administration."

"Nothing can make riding a bike among cars safe."

-- 
- Frank Krygowski