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From: RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com>
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Subject: 13,000 year old sewing needles
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https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/04/science/ancient-needles-discovery-wyoming/index.html

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0313610

The claim is that it would have been 5 to 7 degrees C colder than today, 
and that the Clovis people would have needed the needles to sew hides 
together tightly.  This doesn't make sense because it looks like the 
needles were likely only around 3 mm wide at their stoutest point and 
had a finer tip.  It doesn't seem to be something that you can force 
through the tanned hide of even something like a fox or rabbit.  They 
would still need an awl to make the holes to pass the thin needle 
through.  The needles were over 5 cm in length.  The research paper 
claims that these needles could be used to sew hides together, but 
shouldn't someone try to do it.  They are narrow enough so that the 
stiching holes can be spaced closer together, but could they reliably 
make the thousands of holes needed to piece together a hide garment? 
The holes that they would make are still pretty large for fine sewing of 
a hide.  The inuit bone needles that I have seen might have been 
narrower than these (probably no more than 3 mm wide), but inuits also 
used awls.  They were sewing together seal and caribou skins and furs.

Ron Okimoto