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From: Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net>
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Subject: Re: Todays rant
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2024 12:58:02 -0500
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On 12/5/2024 11:27 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 12/5/2024 9:37 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 12/5/2024 10:03 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 12/5/2024 5:35 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 05 Dec 2024 16:36:56 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 05 Dec 2024 03:42:24 -0500, Catrike Ryder
>>>>> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 05 Dec 2024 10:18:01 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 04 Dec 2024 10:09:39 -0500, Catrike Ryder
>>>>>>> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 04 Dec 2024 21:45:52 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 04 Dec 2024 08:50:21 -0500, Catrike Ryder
>>>>>>>>> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 04 Dec 2024 18:56:41 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 04 Dec 2024 04:05:42 -0500, Catrike Ryder
>>>>>>>>>>> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 3 Dec 2024 23:45:12 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/3/2024 8:12 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 3 Dec 2024 11:04:27 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/3/2024 6:22 AM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You might ant to look at https:// www.worldometers.info/ 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coronavirus/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it used numbers per population and is no longer updated. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Details on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> site.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Example
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> World cases - 90,413 per 1 million
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> U.S.A. cases    - 333,985
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> World deaths - 889.4 per 1 million population
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> U.S.A. deaths - 3642
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Data means nothing to those whose world view is dominated 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> political views.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "That site could be biased!!! It's probably run by 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Socialists!!!"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Statistics can show anything they want them to show!!!"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "How do we know those were COVID deaths? Those Americans 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could have died
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of anything!!!  ... Oh, but the U.S. medical system is 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _still_ the best
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the world!!!"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And life expectance is number 48 (both sexes) in a list of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the world's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> countries
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    https://www.worldometers.info/demographics/ life- 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expectancy/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Our tricycle rider is going to get mad at you for giving 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> links he
>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't like.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> No, this tricycle rider understands that there are many 
>>>>>>>>>>>> reasons other
>>>>>>>>>>>> than health care for life expectancy to be lower in the USA, 
>>>>>>>>>>>> drugs,
>>>>>>>>>>>> crime, poor eating, and other bad habits (getting fat) being 
>>>>>>>>>>>> some of
>>>>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> USAians eat processed food with chemicals that color, 
>>>>>>>>>>>> preserve, and
>>>>>>>>>>>> enhance taste are in a lot of the food on grocery shelves in 
>>>>>>>>>>>> the USA,
>>>>>>>>>>>> but not in many other countries.  Hopefully, RFK jr is going 
>>>>>>>>>>>> to work
>>>>>>>>>>>> on that.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Err... you mean like putting salt on pork to preserve it?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No, but they already limit the amount of ratshit in your 
>>>>>>>>>> cheerioes, so
>>>>>>>>>> why not limit the amount of chemicals?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't know about the breakfast cereal. I haven't eaten that 
>>>>>>>>> since I
>>>>>>>>> was in my teens
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Same here. I've eat Quaker instant oatmeal most mornings. No
>>>>>>>> artificial crap. They now have one with less sugar, so I go with 
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> one. Occasionally, I make omelets, and once or twice a week we 
>>>>>>>> go out
>>>>>>>> for breakfast... where I usually, I get an omelet.  I like omelets.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Try
>>>>>>> https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/chemical-found- in- 
>>>>>>> cheerios- quaker-oats-other-oat-based-foods-linked- potential- 
>>>>>>> health-issues-study
>>>>>>> A pesticide linked to reproductive and developmental issues in 
>>>>>>> animals
>>>>>>> was found in oat-based foods sold in the U.S., including under major
>>>>>>> brand names like Cheerios and Quaker Oats.....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ..there are many such issues. In the cited case manufacturers claim
>>>>>> that their product meets government (EPA) requirements. I wouldn't
>>>>>> trust the EPA any more than I trust the people ( Environmental 
>>>>>> Working
>>>>>> Group (EWG)) who did the study. The EWG recieves it funding from
>>>>>> organic food manufacturers, so I'm not inclined to trust them.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Well,, as you don't trust this mob and you don't trust that mob, then
>>>>> who do you trust? Some wild eyed bloke on the Internet?
>>>>
>>>> I trust the people I believe to be trustworthy. That would be some,
>>>> not all of my relatives, and some, not all of the people I know. I do
>>>> not trust the following blokes unless I know them and believe them to
>>>> be trustworthy; blokes on the internet, blokes who do studies, and
>>>> blokes in the government, or blokes who run for government positions.
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> C'est bon
>>>> Soloman
>>>
>>>
>>> As Bobby Jindal put it 'When I got to Washington I was stunned by the 
>>> widespread corruption. I saw it as a cesspool. After three terms, it 
>>> started to look more like a hot tub, so I left.'
>>>
>>> [paraphrase: didn't find exact original]
>>>
>>> And that's a Congressman who at least has some accountability.  
>>> What's it like for a guy writing FDA reports (often utter fiction) 
>>> and counting the days to early retirement when he can go work for the 
>>> guy who pushed the 'research'?
>>
>> IOW: "Nothing can be known. All is mystery. Ommmmmm..."
>>
>> Some of the oh-so-independent-minded folks posting here claim total 
>> skepticism of anything emanating from the government, including all 
>> scientific or economic data. But it seems to me that's often just a 
>> way to maintain cherished beliefs despite all evidence.
>>
>> "COVID was no worse than a seasonal flu."
>>
>> "Sadaam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction ready to attack the U.S."
>>
>> "The stock market tanked during the Obama administration."
>>
>> "Nothing can make riding a bike among cars safe."
>>
> 
> Wait.  You're quoting official US Government positions to argue that 
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