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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: OT: More about the universe and black holes Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2024 09:14:26 +0000 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 34 Message-ID: <viuf9v$28d5e$1@dont-email.me> References: <vipcj1$puc1$1@solani.org> <vipfn9$rmtm$1@dont-email.me> <virs34$1gv4g$1@dont-email.me> <vit9nc$1sa1o$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2024 10:14:40 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="971cf42be022658ff600f83ff806751c"; logging-data="2372782"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19WCQknHqpz9xgOMSEyiaLCZpVJjlWVsNRvZ2KuvhO4YA==" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:jJ6qcaWYqTvY4J7tGaXVCxVUjvg= In-Reply-To: <vit9nc$1sa1o$1@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-GB Bytes: 2460 On 05/12/2024 22:37, Jeroen Belleman wrote: > On 12/5/24 10:34, Martin Brown wrote: >> On 04/12/2024 11:54, Jeroen Belleman wrote: >>> If a theory predicts a singularity, this merely tells us >>> the theory is incomplete. >> >> The theory could be complete if it only posits singularities in places >> where you can never observe them and report your findings. With the >> possible sole exception of a maximal angular momentum Kerr metric I >> think that Penrose's cosmic censorship conjecture holds. >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_censorship_hypothesis >> >> I don't know how strongly supported it is these days. > > It's a philosophical issue rather than a scientific one, but I > hold that a science will have ceased to be one when it accepts > things by declaring them unobservable. They might as well > postulate the existence of fairies. It may yet be possible to prove mathematically that they are. It is only one edge case that seems to still be a problem. In general I agree that at some stage the next level theory will come along with some new mathematics where everything that we know at present can be derived as a weaker field limiting case. However, at the moment the contenders like string theory look very cumbersome to use even if they actually worked! -- Martin Brown