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From: Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org>
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Subject: Re: What Did You Watch? 2024-12-05 (Thursday)
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2024 08:44:31 -0800
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On 12/6/2024 6:39 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> On Dec 6, 2024 at 5:40:53 PM PST, "Arthur Lipscomb"
> <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
> 
>> On 12/6/2024 11:31 AM, Ian J. Ball wrote:
>>>   On 12/6/24 11:11 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>   
>>>>   On Dec 6, 2024 at 6:46:04 AM PST, "Nyssa" <Nyssa@LogicalInsight.net>
>>>>   wrote:
>>>>>   anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>>     Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     After an arduous workout, I watched:
>>>>>>>     Nothing.
>>>>>>>     What did you watch?
>>>>>>     Hey, thanks for asking!
>>>>>>     Nothing
>>>>>>
>>>>>   I'm sensing a pattern here...
>>>>
>>>>   Well, I did watch something.
>>>>
>>>>   I watched WOLFS on the Apple TVs. George Clooney and Brad Pitt play a
>>>>   couple
>>>>   of aging fixers who end up on the same job and grudgingly are forced
>>>>   to work
>>>>   together to clean up an accidental death in a hotel suite where the NY
>>>>   district attorney (Amy Ryan) was canoodling with a young kid who fell
>>>>   off the
>>>>   bed, hit his head, and died. Maybe. The movie goes on from there with
>>>>   Pitt and
>>>>   Clooney unraveling a mystery with the help of the not-quite-dead-yet
>>>>   victim.
>>>>
>>>>   Pretty good movie. Supposedly doing bang-up numbers on Apple, but
>>>>   plans for a
>>>>   sequel have been quashed. Rumors are that Pitt and Clooney were pissed
>>>>   off
>>>>   about the streaming release of it. They were apparently expecting a
>>>>   theatrical
>>>>   release and they felt it was an insult to be treated as a straight-to-
>>>>   video
>>>>   level commodity.
>>>   
>>>   That is indeed the story. But I bet they come to some kind of deal over
>>>   the next year to do a sequel - Apple might have to guarantee a
>>>   theatrical release this time. But I bet a sequel ends up happening...
>>
>> The way I heard it, the director was ticked off and said no sequel.
> 
> Well, unless directing any and all sequels was in his contract, who cares?
> Clooney and Pitt are pretty much essential to any potential sequel but the
> director isn't. They can get another director.
> 
> 


The director is also the writer.  So unless he sold the rights, he 
probably has some say if a sequel gets made or not.  And even if the 
studio could pump out a cash grab sequel, that doesn't mean the actors 
will cooperate.

Not entirely the same thing, but I'm reminded of when Superman II 
replaced Donner with Lester, and then again when Snyder was replaced by 
Whedon, in both cases some of the actors refused to return to film 
scenes leading to doubles having to be used.

Another thing this reminds me of is even if the actors, studio, and the 
filming rights are all aligned, you *still* need a writer/director. 
I've seen so many actor interviews where they *want* to do a sequel, and 
the studio probably wouldn't mind but they just can't get it together to 
make it happen.  We are seeing this play out in real time with the 
forever upcoming "Blade" movie.  That was supposed to come out years 
ago, and they haven't even managed to finish a script or keep a 
director.  That movie is burning through scripts and directors like 
Spinal Tap burns through drummers.