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The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 07/12/2024 10:20, D wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, 6 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:
>> 
>>> On Fri, 6 Dec 2024 10:09:11 +0100, D wrote:
>>>
>>>> Don't even go there.  Natural and I had very lively discussions on 
>>>> that theme.  But yes, I'm in the camp of the people who accept the 
>>>> real world as a fact, and that without humans, there's no ethics, 
>>>> math, true or false.
>>>
>>> Buddhism has the concept of two truths, conventional and ultimate.  
>>> Conventionally I went out this morning to feed two cats.  
>>> Ultimately 'cat' is a construct I imposed and there aren't two of 
>>> anything.
>>>
>>> https://thebuddhistcentre.com/system/files/groups/files/heart_sutra.pdf
>>>
>>> Nietzsche condensed into a couple of hundred Chinese ideograms...
>> 
>> Buddha seems to have been far ahead of his time.  I really like his 
>> position on god, that instead of speculating, they should "shut up 
>> and meditate".  ;)
>> 
> There are states of mind that can be achieved that clarify  why 
> people started talking about gods and spirits and other realms in the 
> first place.

Some portion of the "why" for gods and spirits can also be seen from 
the Arthur C. Clarke quote:

  "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from 
   magic".

To proto-humans, living in caves, with predators at every turn, 
something like the lightning from a thunderstorm would seem to be an 
"unimaginably advanced technology" and so appear as "magic" and in 
order to try to "explain" its existence it becomes easy to pass it off 
as some "sky spirit" that is "unhappy" with what Grog did earlier 
today.  Let that continue for a millenia and you get all the modern 
'sky spirits' that continue to be followed by many today.

We, today, understand lightning as just a huge static electricity 
discharge.  But that understanding rests on a lot of "shoulders of 
giants" along the way to the scientific discoverys necessary to 
understand why it occurs.