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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.quux.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Rich <rich@example.invalid> Newsgroups: sci.crypt Subject: Re: Seriation Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2024 05:58:45 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 25 Message-ID: <vj3cil$3keo5$1@dont-email.me> References: <vj1pgp$5u55$1@paganini.bofh.team> <vj2fc0$3bbjk$1@dont-email.me> <vj2os2$ch7p$1@paganini.bofh.team> Injection-Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2024 06:59:44 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="5bbb81f215d7d1f8b55fb1ec57d67ed5"; logging-data="3816197"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18FNwyYS99ueh7BZ0uF6APU" User-Agent: tin/2.6.1-20211226 ("Convalmore") (Linux/5.15.139 (x86_64)) Cancel-Lock: sha1:G2zo22JRdlICXRj0C5D/aElHV+s= Bytes: 2139 Stefan Claas <pollux@tilde.club> wrote: > Peter Fairbrother wrote: >> Seriation is not a cipher, it is a technique used to build ciphers. Like >> substitution and permutation, of which it is a form of the latter. >> >> It can be useful eg with digram-based ciphers like Playfair, where it >> makes cryptanalysis based on the known frequency of occurrence of >> digrams in the plaintext language much harder or impossible. > > Yes, thank you for the explanation! It could also be a nice replacement > for SCOS, here in sci.crypt, combined with an A-Z encoder/decoder and a > padding program, since SCOS was cracked and floating around on Bitmessage > and code for seriation I have not seen yet elsewhere. SCOS was never meant to be in any way 'secure'. Hense the name: (S)ci (C)rypt (O)pen (S)ecret. It was meant as a fun exercise at cryptanalysis and working out a crypt/decrypt algorithm given examples of encrypted messages. > Maybe worth a little challenge, to have such a format for sci.crypt, > with an AZ encoder, a pad and seriation program. :-) And why would you think it would not also eventually be "cracked" and "floating around on bitmessage" after some time?