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From: jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll)
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Subject: Re: Anthropogenic Climate Change Denialism in SF
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2024 14:46:47 -0000 (UTC)
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In article <robertaw-A7CB55.21594107122024@news.individual.net>,
Robert Woodward  <robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote:
>In article <vj25aj$4nd$1@reader2.panix.com>,
> jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote:
>
>> In article <robertaw-ED1870.21583806122024@news.individual.net>,
>> Robert Woodward  <robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote:
>> >I know of one book, _The Last Centurion_ by John Ringo (published in 
>> >2008). There are probably others. What is really odd about _tLC_, is 
>> >that there was a pandemic starting, IIRC, in 2019 (a really nasty one - 
>> >world fatalities, IMS, exceeded 1 billion). Oh, yes, the US presidential 
>> >administration flubbed the response, big time (I believe the president 
>> >was a "Hillary Clinton" pastiche). There was significant turmoil over 
>> >the 2020 Presidential election as well.
>> 
>> Camestros Felapton looked for Contrarian Cli-Fi in 2022 and found 
>> surprisingly few examples, of which the Ringo was one. Another was
>> Pournelle, Niven, and Flynn's dire Fallen Angels, which judging
>> by the frequency with which people mentioned it in the comments to
>> relevant essays of mine on Tor Dot Com/Reactor is by far the 
>> better known of the two. Crichton's State of Fear was a third
>> (and I have not read it). 
>> 
>
>It was my impression that _Fallen Angels_ was the result of a successful 
>attempt to significantly reduce CO2 emissions. If that is so, I wouldn't 
>consider it to be ACC denialism at all.

I'd count it as the idea is that those darn treehuggers are wrong to
fear our friend [strike] Tetraethyllead [/strike] CO2 but if you're
right, then the supply of CCD is even shorter.

>> Otherwise, esp if one leaves off pre-1990 examples, CCF is a weirdly
>> undersupplied genre, at least from major publishers. Lots of authors
>> loudly proclaim their skepticism but it does not seem to percolate
>> into their fiction.  
>
>OTH, there were stories, even back in the 1970s where the sea level had 
>risen over 100 feet (e.g., "Manhattan Reef" appears in "Starships in 
>Whose Future?" - Analog, August 1978).

Davy, from the 1960s. A Fond Farewell to Dying, late 1970s. 
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