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Path: ...!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!feeds.news.ox.ac.uk!news.ox.ac.uk!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com> Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: Another California child infected by H5N1 Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2024 13:28:18 -0600 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 45 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: <vja4oh$13lbb$1@dont-email.me> References: <vj7l19$im7c$1@dont-email.me> Reply-To: rokimoto557@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="24461"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:Sy0PIM5V2d6mEs/iWVCYTakK16Y= Return-Path: <news@eternal-september.org> X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id E9000229782; Tue, 10 Dec 2024 14:28:53 -0500 (EST) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AA1FD229765 for <talk-origins@ediacara.org>; Tue, 10 Dec 2024 14:28:51 -0500 (EST) by moderators.individual.net (Exim 4.98) for talk-origins@moderators.isc.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (envelope-from <news@eternal-september.org>) id 1tL5ua-00000003Ma8-2D6d; Tue, 10 Dec 2024 20:28:48 +0100 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.eternal-september.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1A2CA5F8F3 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Tue, 10 Dec 2024 19:28:47 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: name/1A2CA5F8F3; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=gmail.com id A8DE9DC01A9; Tue, 10 Dec 2024 20:28:46 +0100 (CET) X-Injection-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2024 20:28:46 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: <vj7l19$im7c$1@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX1/P4+XBylFbBL9tSkMZJXysHiNxUMSH2Uo= FREEMAIL_FORGED_REPLYTO,FREEMAIL_REPLYTO_END_DIGIT, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED, USER_IN_WELCOMELIST,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 smtp.eternal-september.org Bytes: 5189 On 12/9/2024 2:47 PM, RonO wrote: > https://medicalxpress.com/news/2024-12-h5n1-bird-flu-case-california.html > > They haven't confirmed that it is the Dairy virus, but it seems to be > H5N1. Marin County is North of San Francisco. The first child was in > Alameda that is South of San Francisco. The child has no known exposure > to animals. If it is the dairy virus they have to start testing the > milk supply. That is the direct contact that these kids have with dairy > cows, but they did not test the milk supply after the first child > because it is bad for the dairy industry. Pasteurized milk is supposed > to be safe, but the CDC's own research indicated that the virus could > survive the most common pasteurization method and could survive in whole > milk for 4 days. The FDA claimed that it was doing further tests on the > milk supply after that study, but nothing has been published about their > results (Project started in early Nov.) and they were doing the study > incorrectly. They were asking for volunteers and claimed that they > would keep the dairies anonymous. The processing plants that did not > volunteer are the ones that you want to test as the most likely to have > issues with their pasteurization. The method may be 100% effective when > within specifications, but how often are those specifications not met? > That is the main question that the FDA has to answer. > > Ron Okimoto > https://www.cdc.gov/bird-flu/spotlights/h5n1-response-12092024.html The CDC has just released that the virus that infected the first California child was genotype B3.13 and is the virus that has infected dairy cattle and dairy workers in California. In their follow-up actions they continue to make the claim that there is no evidence for human to human infection, and refuse to acknowledge that the only contact to the dairy virus that this kid had was the dairy products that they ingested. How can they keep ignoring the most likely avenue of infection? They refuse to acknowledge their own research indicating that the virus can survive the most common form of pasteurization, and do not recommend testing of the California milk supply. They are in denial even though a second California child has likely been infected by the dairy virus. They should stop calling it avian influenza when it is being spread by dairy cattle and dairy workers. These kids are likely getting infected by the dairy cattle somehow, and dairy products are what they have been consuming. Ron Okimoto