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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org Newsgroups: comp.unix.programmer Subject: Re: Faking a TTY on a pipe/socketpair Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2024 08:33:29 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 17 Message-ID: <vjbiop$1f2e5$1@dont-email.me> References: <vh9vgr$5bb$1@dont-email.me> <jHw3P.41603$vLg2.41154@fx17.iad> <vimf13$3uoji$1@dont-email.me> <vinp86$avd9$1@dont-email.me> <vip46l$omqu$1@dont-email.me> <vir23n$17csf$5@dont-email.me> <virnn2$1g9ja$1@dont-email.me> <vit3dg$1quau$1@dont-email.me> <slrnvleknf.apv.jj@iridium.wf32df> <wwvfrmv3os3.fsf@LkoBDZeT.terraraq.uk> <vj91a1$t8pn$1@dont-email.me> <vja9r8$14k6s$1@dont-email.me> Injection-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2024 09:33:29 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="cb067e2e926d747fd0e5bdfcaa294e25"; logging-data="1542597"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/JWzvaYY08BlHvqggC2Y/8" Cancel-Lock: sha1:2pXQtI7TL9UJhk4I8li3Um1aEWM= Bytes: 1883 On Tue, 10 Dec 2024 20:55:05 -0000 (UTC) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wibbled: >On Tue, 10 Dec 2024 09:23:13 -0000 (UTC), Muttley wrote: > >> But the core part should really just be limited to starting the >> machine and getting enough things running for a user to log on (or >> if its a black box to do its task). > >One thing lacking from sysvinit is, while it can start a service, it >cannot ensure the service was started properly, and it cannot perform >reliable service shutdown. So the job of service management was really >only half-done. It doesn't need to , it can just spawn off a script or some other program which does that which is entirely inline with the unix philosophy. Something Poettering never understood.