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From: Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please>
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Subject: Re: Dutch-like language [OT]
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2024 12:11:12 +0100
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On 12/11/24 11:41, john larkin wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Dec 2024 10:12:54 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
> <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
> 
>> On 12/11/24 03:59, john larkin wrote:
>>> On Tue, 10 Dec 2024 14:23:08 -0800, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 12/5/24 8:50 AM, john larkin wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 3 Dec 2024 12:59:22 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
>>>>> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Last night in the 80-metre band I heard two 'hams' talking.  The vowel
>>>>>> sounds of their voices seemed to be characteristically Dutch (an accent
>>>>>> like the Groningen area) but the language was completely
>>>>>> incomprehensible.  I listened for several minutes but didn't hear a
>>>>>> single word I recognised
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do any of our Dutch contributors know of some dialect that is Dutch in
>>>>>> sound but does not use the standard Dutch language?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [I tried to send this to Jan by e-mail but the address I found for him
>>>>>> on the Web just bounced.]
>>>>>
>>>>> I used to be a technician in a language lab full of reel-to-reel tape
>>>>> decks. I was paid 65 cents per hour.
>>>>>
>>>>> I did a lot of tape copying and some studio recording so I heard a lot
>>>>> of languages. Some of the slavic languages and Cantonese sounded awful
>>>>> to me. The most beautiful was Portugese, and the speaker was beautiful
>>>>> too.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It can become really tough with slang. One guy was sure he had good
>>>> fluency in Dutch and Flemish. Until we listened to this guy:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D57aoWB3Rjg
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It' hard to imagine some other-language speakers who want to sound
>>>>> like the Dutch.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Don't want to but it happens when you live there and immerse. I lived in
>>>> the south and spent much time in Belgium. After a while (until today)
>>>> English-speakers no longer recognized where I really came from because
>>>> my accent became all messed up. It just happens.
>>>>
>>>> When you move a lot one of the not so desired consequences is that you
>>>> are fluent or somewhat fluent in several languages but you speak none of
>>>> them perfectly, including your native tongue.
>>>
>>> I grew up in New Orleans, which has its own accent, nothing like the
>>> South. It's sometimes called "Yat", from the Aloha-like greeting
>>> "Where yat?" which is properly answered by "Where yat?"
>>>
>>> And I married a Cajun girl. The Cajuns have their own language and
>>> accent. Two islands of weirdness that just happen to be in the south.
>>>
>>
>> I can probably understand the cajun dialect. It's close to French.
>>
>> Jeroen Belleman
> 
> I've been told that Parisians can't communicate with Cajuns.
> 
> But the Cajun language is rare now. In WWII, draftees had to be sent
> to English language schools.
> 
> The food is good, but very hot. My daddy-in-law used to grow the
> cayenne peppers for Tobasco sauce. People wear gloves to pick them.

Ha! Parisians are notorious for refusing to understand anyone who
doesn't talk just like them!

Jeroen Belleman