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From: BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
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Subject: Re: [OT] Self-defense in Canada
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2024 18:10:26 -0000 (UTC)
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On Dec 11, 2024 at 7:38:17 AM PST, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com>
wrote:

> On 2024-12-10 10:12 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>  On Dec 10, 2024 at 7:08:35 PM PST, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com>
>>  wrote:
>>  
>>>  I just saw this video about a guy in Toronto who experienced a home
>>>  invasion and was only able to reach someone on 911 on the 5th try -
>>>  after the invaders had left.
>>> 
>>>  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCFiuiX38TI [2 minutes]
>>> 
>>>  The comments under the video, if true, are quite disturbing in some
>>>  cases. I was especially troubled about the guy who called 911 and had to
>>>  be transferred to 4 other 911 operators (around the province) before he
>>>  finally got one that spoke English!!! Silly me, I would have assumed
>>>  that fluency in English (and maybe French) was a prerequisite for a 911
>>>  operator in this country....
>>> 
>>>  I got to wondering for the umpteenth time about what my rights were with
>>>  respect to self-defense. As luck would have it, the algorithm put this,
>>>  video by a Canadian lawyer at the top of my suggested videos list:
>>> 
>>>  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Xolys_2hl4 [8 minutes]
>>> 
>>>  Clearly, we do NOT have anything like Stand Your Ground or Castle
>>>  Doctrine here! The presenter, who is apparently a practising lawyer,
>>>  repeatedly mentions a case where a home-owner shot and killed an
>>>  intruder who had threatened to hurt his elderly mother and was charged
>>>  with 2nd degree murder. (The video is a year old so I'm curious to know
>>>  what happened with this case but he doesn't give enough details to
>>>  research it.)
>>> 
>>>  I expect that if a crisis happened to me where I had to defend myself,
>>>  I'd just do whatever seemed necessary and hope that the legal system
>>>  wouldn't screw me over but I wouldn't be so naive as to assume that
>>>  there would be no consequences.
>>  
>>  Better to be judged by twelve than carried by six.
>>  
>>  
> Exactly. I first heard that as dialog out of Sipowicz's mouth in an NYPD 
> Blue episode and it made a LOT of sense then, just as it does now.
> 
> My heart goes out to everyone who has to stand trial for harming someone 
> in self-defense, like Daniel Penny just did. Fortunately, it worked out 
> in his case although the stress must have been borderline unbearable.
> 
> I just hope his acquittal hasn't put a target on his back, a target that 
> some BLM type might like to hit....

You don't realize how dangerous the Penny verdict is. It’s only going to
inspire copycat heroes.