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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2024 22:53:24 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 73 Message-ID: <vjd1km$1nq97$1@dont-email.me> References: <vg7cp8$9jka$1@dont-email.me> <viq3i2$105iq$1@dont-email.me> <e055ec41-a98d-4917-802f-169575a5b556@att.net> <virq3t$1gs07$1@dont-email.me> <c8faf784-348a-42e9-a784-b2337f4e8160@att.net> <3af23566-0dfc-4001-b19b-96e5d4110fee@tha.de> <ae606e53-0ded-4101-9685-fa33c9a35cb9@att.net> <viuc2a$27gm1$1@dont-email.me> <8a53c5d4-4afd-4f25-b1da-30d57e7fe91c@att.net> <vj1acu$31atn$3@dont-email.me> <ec451cd6-16ba-463d-8658-8588093e1696@att.net> <vj2f61$3b1no$1@dont-email.me> <10ebeeea-6712-4544-870b-92803ee1e398@att.net> <vj3tl0$3nktg$2@dont-email.me> <1f1a4089-dfeb-45f8-9c48-a36f6a4688fb@att.net> <vj6bqo$b6bt$1@dont-email.me> <f1bcc151-ecf7-47d9-98a6-07048d422ee1@att.net> <vj7hdm$hvcf$5@dont-email.me> <e7b09ffb-cca3-4c85-9800-1ba36ab573df@att.net> <vj7o79$j93d$1@dont-email.me> <fe5bf28a-a597-4132-bc3f-94d4927b3304@att.net> <vjc8nc$1j576$1@dont-email.me> <e62c5824-fe06-43bf-9c17-2ea0c70a624b@att.net> <vjcqrb$1molo$1@dont-email.me> <10fbe4d3-a1d1-4740-8d23-8cd96f3b9bfc@att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2024 22:53:26 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="0a005c1c62f3bcaa875ace0607f6f51e"; logging-data="1829159"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/UqoGvbqxjAqclzUzaxcTQjSiADiKEj54=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:qK76Ymb+BIdQcq75HK/DlLdF78M= In-Reply-To: <10fbe4d3-a1d1-4740-8d23-8cd96f3b9bfc@att.net> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 4214 On 11.12.2024 21:58, Jim Burns wrote: > On 12/11/2024 2:57 PM, WM wrote: >> On 11.12.2024 20:27, Jim Burns wrote: > >>> ⋂{E(i):i} = {}. >> >> Of course. But >> all intersections with finite contents >> are invisible. > > We know about what's invisible by > assembling finite sequences holding only > claims which are true.or.not.first.false. > > We know that > each claim in the claim.sequence is true > by _looking at the claims_ > independently of _looking at the invisible_ > > _It doesn't matter_ > whether any finite.cardinals are invisible. > Each finite cardinal is finite, and > that is enough to start > a finite sequence of claims holding only > claims which are true.or.not.first.false > -- claims about each finite.cardinal, visible or not. > > Some claims seem too dull to need verifying. > "Is a finite.cardinal finite?" > Better to ask "Is the Pope Catholic?" > But such obviously.true claims start us off. > > Other claims, the more interesting claims, > can be verified as not.first.false > _by looking at the claims_ > NOT by looking at finite.cardinals > Look at q in ⟨p p⇒q q⟩ > There is no way in which q can be first.false. > It doesn't matter what q means, or what p means. > We can see q is not.first.false in that sequence. > > Repeat the pattern ⟨p p⇒q q⟩ and a few others > for a whole finite sequence of claims, > and > that whole finite sequences of claims > holds no first false claim, > and thus holds no false claim. > > Which we know by _looking at the claims_ > >>> Therefore, >>> one.element.emptier ℕ\{0} >>> is not.smaller.than ℕ >> >> It is a smaller set. > > For each k in ℕ > there is unique k+1 in ℕ\{0} > >> Cardinalities are not useful. > > And yet, by ignoring them, > you (WM) end up wrong about > ⎛ For each k in ℕ > ⎝ there is unique k+1 in ℕ\{0} > All that waffle only in order to avoid the crucial question? Simply answer by yes or no: Is the complete removal of natural numbers from the sequence of intersections bound by the law ∀k ∈ ℕ : ∩{E(1), E(2), ..., E(k+1)} = ∩{E(1), E(2), ..., E(k)} \ {k} or not? Regards, WM