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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: Where did CKD disks come from? Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2024 00:04:24 -0800 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 33 Message-ID: <vjgpq8$39vsg$1@dont-email.me> References: <vjfh7p$1ua9$1@gal.iecc.com> <87h678l5to.fsf@localhost> <vjg4h6$ecp$1@gal.iecc.com> <87wmg4hv8x.fsf@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2024 09:04:24 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="26a19b1a37777dfd496148d33b3a5183"; logging-data="3473296"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+RwDE0nDevsshMNpZfOD3GsyKXtTD58ck=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:xDGtbL+5n9peYqn9fDbE1jDD7wY= In-Reply-To: <87wmg4hv8x.fsf@localhost> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 2676 On 12/12/2024 11:55 PM, Lynn Wheeler wrote: > John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> writes: >> Any idea who invented CKD? The Pugh et al history book says a lot about >> disk hardware but nothing about software or CKD. Someone must have invented >> it but who? When? > > not who but why: > https://retrocomputing.stackexchange.com/questions/24074/how-did-reserve-tracks-work-on-early-hard-disks > Count Key Data was IBM's answer to unify three very different methods of > data storage (Disk, Drum, Cells) into a single interface, while at the > same time offloading basic tasks to hardware. > > discussion "spare tracks" & "standard configuration" > https://archive.computerhistory.org/resources/access/text/2014/07/102739924-05-03-acc.pdf > Jack: That was the first time in a sense that you had an index, which is now > standard configuration. > Al: Right. > Jack: Standard configuration. The other thing that we did, that we > subsequently cursed a lot, was the idea of variable record length and count > key data as the format. I don't know if IBM's gotten rid of that yet. > > ... seems to imply collective "we" team/group > > and more discussion of 1301&1311 to CKD 2311 (disk) > https://archive.computerhistory.org/resources/text/Oral_History/IBM_1311_2311/IBM_1311_2311.oral_history.2005.102657931.pdf > For some damn reason this makes me think of fuzzy bits on a disk. I am not sure why! http://dmweb.free.fr/community/documentation/copy-protection/copy-protection/ http://dmweb.free.fr/community/documentation/copy-protection/copy-protection-apple-iigs/